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Post by darkstar on Feb 7, 2005 13:01:57 GMT
Concertgebouw Amsterdam Holland September 15th 1968Grace Slick and Paul Kanter (Jefferson Airplane) Remember The Doors performance in Amsterdam September 15 1968: partial transcript from "The Doors In Europe", 1988 Grace: "Hello, my name is Grace Slick and this is Paul Kantner and in 1968 Paul and I were members of a band called Jefferson airplane, and both of us toured europe for the first time with a band called The Doors, and what we're going to do is talk here a little bit about what we can remember of that time
[Paul puts his finger in the air as if he's having trouble remembering. Grace laughs and hits him on the shoulder saying] Yeah, you can remember something...
... I Think what the Doors and the Airplane had in common was the shift that came about which was from the 50's into the 60's, which was partly musical." Paul: "And partly accidental history. I think the whole 60's was more than just music, and bands I think, as well and artists, as well as poets, as well as creators of furniture for that matter, reflected the chaos that was swirling around us. And rather than say `right, we're going to write strange songs, you just wrote what came, and it wasaccepted... " [Paul goes on to talk about San francisco, America and London in the 60's amoung othr things]
Grace: "Amsterdam was very much like San Francisco at the time. All the buildings were painted the same way, in the psychedelic sense if you want to talk about that, the business of having the door frame yellow, the doors red, the frames around the windows are blue, and the walls are purple, and there's bongs in all four corners of the room.
And in Amsterdam also drugs are legal. There was one main street where they had shops of our kind, which means the psychedelic stuff- hand made tie-dye, beads and that kind of stuff- and we're walking down this street, both bands, you know, we weren't walking in a big group, Jim was over there-"
Paul: "Swinging on a bottle like a gunfighter" Grace: "-and we were here. But the kids would offer us drugs, everything, drugs of all kinds, so you say `thankyou very much`, put it in your pocket, maybe have a little bit of that later, but you don't take everything you're given because otherwise you'll be dead. Jim, on the other hand took everything that was given to him, on the spot. Paul: "We were playing in Amsterdam and Jim came out in the middle of our set- we would trade off, we'd open one night, they'd open the next night.- we were opening and Jim came out in our set, somewhat drug abused, and started doing almost like soofy dancing, to Plastic Fantastic Lover, which is a pretty fast song for us, and getting really ild and having a good time" Grace: "He looked like a pinwheel" Paul: "and we, in our perverse manner, started playing faster, just because he sort of invaded our turf. We didn't consult ourselves, it just occured, and it was amusing, and he went faster and faster and then he collapsed, and he couldn't do the show. Then when we were in our dressing room, we heard Jim was sick or something.
Then the Doors started- we heard the Doors coming from out on the stage, so we went to check them out. There was no Morrison out there, and quietly Ray is there behind singing "baby you could light my fire", probably having never done it before" Grace: "The whole set" Paul: "The whole set, and sounding very much like Jim" Grace: "And thats where [Ray] Manzerek comes in. The man is amazing, because i've watched him, and heard other stories about him having to do things that are just increddible. I dont know of another band where the keyboard player would all of a sudden take over the show, and sing, and play the piano and get all the phrasing right without probably having ever done it before. I don't know of another band where the lead singer was that erratic. We were sort of erratic, but Marty [Balin] and I were generally on stage"...
Grace: I think his looking the way he did, being born that way, was not entirely terrible. The guy looked physically real good. He wasn't doing- and I'm not going to name any group now because I don't want to slam anybody- but there's alot of guys who get up and do alot of posturing out front, and you just think `go home`. Like Keith Richards said `shave and go home` because its, it's corny. It's obvious that you're doing that because you want to come off as something, you want everybody, you want girls to get a hard on. Whats the word for hard on? what do we get, soft ons? wet- something, And you just think [sort of laughs] But Jim wasn't doing any of that stuff" www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/1395/whiterabbits/europe.html
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Post by darkstar on Feb 7, 2005 13:02:37 GMT
Door Jim Collapses On Stage Melody Maker 1968 Doors lead singer Jim Morrison collapsed before a concert in Amsterdam on Sunday and was rushed to a hospital. He was detained but it is not know what he is suffering from. A spokesman for the group told the Melody Maker from Amsterdam on Monday: “We don’t know what is wrong with Jim but we hope he’ll be discharged today or tomorrow.” The spokesman said he hoped the singer would be fit for a concert in Stockholm on Wednesday. The other three Doors went on stage on Sunday at Amsterdam’s Concert Hall and played for the fans handling the vocals between them. cities.com/SunsetStrip/Disco/4753/door_jim_collapses.htm
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Feb 7, 2005 13:11:15 GMT
The November issue of Dutch magazine Teenbeat features an article about the gig carrying a photo of Jim dancing and annoying Jefferson Airplane before his collapse. As a result The Doors play as a three piece. Ray 'remembers' Amsterdam in 1968 Ray Manzarek : What a show that was. I'll never forget seeing Jim Morrison carried out on a stretcher ... It's an interesting story ... We were in Germany and we were playing with Canned Heat and Canned Heat was doing a lot of hash ... "The Bear" had given Jim this large chunk of hash at the airport ... And we're about to cross a border ... And a rock and roll band and a bunch of "long-hairs" ... You know we're gonna get searched. So, our manager came up to us and said, "If anyone's got any dope then for God's sake ... get rid of it. We're going into Holland ... Get rid of it ... We're not gonna cross a border with anyone carrying anything" ... So Jim reached into his coat pocket and "Woops ... I've got this ball of hash ... Well,I guess I'll get rid of it ...gulp!"...And he shoved it into his mouth before any of us could anything. We all went, "Jim ... Oh ... No!" ... So, he started drinking on the airplane. Had a few drinks to wash it down you know ... We got to Amsterdam and he was no doubt feeling the effects of it by then ... And had a few more drinks at the hotel and was starting to get really out there ... We went to the auditorium and Jefferson Airplane was playing ... we were gonna go on second and then they were gonna go an again and we would go on again. It was two sets for each group ... By the time Jim got to the auditorium he was just blitzed ... absolutely gone ... Went on stage with the Jefferson Airplane ... Started dancing around in the middle of their set. He started singing with Grace Slick and hugging her ... I think he pinched her on the bottom or tried to do some obscene gesture with Grace Slick ... And then he finally sort of ... after five minutes ... danced off the stage. Went back into the dressing room and passed out cold ... Everyone tried to revive him, "Jim ... Jim!". Jefferson Airplane finished up their set, "Jim ... Jim!". The equipment is being changed ... Our equipment is ready to go and they've called the paramedics. The ambulance people come and take one look at him and say, "Listen, there's no way this guy's gonna go on. Are you kidding ... He can't go on and sing. We're taking him to hospital" ... They put him on a stretcher. They wrapped him up in a rubber sheet. They put an oxygen mask on his face ... I walked into the dressing room ... five minutes before it's time to go on stage ... And I walk in going, "Jim ... It's time to ..." And there goes Jim being carried out by two people. They put him into an ambulance, hit the siren and drove off. John and Robbie and I look at each other and go, "Wait a minute we're supposed to go on in two minutes" ... Our roadie is saying, "C'mon ... c'mon ... we're ready" ... "We're ready" ... What will we do.We've got two sets to do tonight ... And our manager said, "You can't cancel ... Just go out there and do it. You guys go out there" ... "Us ... well, we know the songs" ... And I said, "Okay Vince ... Give me a vocal mike". Put a mike on a boom - put it over the keyboards. "Give Robbie a vocal mike and we'll just go out and hope that everyone accepts the fact that Jim Morrison's not here ... Let's not say anything about it. Let's just go out and start to play ... Hopefully they won't really notice" ... And we got through it. They didn't notice. Nobody said, "Hey where's Morrison".
Wait a minute ... on the tape you come out and say he's been taken to hospital or something like that.
Ray Manzarek : Did I ... Well, thank God ... Okay, Good ... Did I actually tell the audience, "We're sorry but Jim Morrison will not be here tonight" (laughs).
You told them something like that.
Ray Manzarek : "Jim Morrison is incapacitated and has been taken away to the hospital" ... So we told them ... Well,that's probably why they were so nice about it and said, "Well,okay ... just go ahead and play some Doors' songs" ... You know they didn't really care as long as they got to hear "Light My Fire" ... and they did. So everything worked out very nicely ... But it was the hardest night of the Doors' career. We did two sets ... Check out Sue Jeffries comments on..newdoorstalk.proboards43.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1107103996
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Post by wtd on May 1, 2005 3:49:39 GMT
Hey Alex, I never heard this story by Ray before. Where did you get this from? I just the heard the story from Grace and Paul.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 1, 2005 9:37:24 GMT
Hey Alex, I never heard this story by Ray before. Where did you get this from? I just the heard the story from Grace and Paul. I would take everything Ray says with a great big pinch of salt..... Ray talks a lot in mataphors and much of what he says is said for effect rather than an actual truth. I don't mind that in principle as Ray is similar to Jim. Where Jim had a lot in common with the Poets of the ancient world Ray has a lot in common with the storytellers of that time.......they were the CNN of the day and they would embellish great deeds into a rhetorical expression of events in order to give them a kind of supernatural worth that would be remembered forever..... Ray has a selective memory of events in Doors history and has a habit of always putting himself at the centre of things and diminishing others into a deferential role to his own actions. I do call him 'liar' often but its not as simple as that really.....Ray does tell a lot of lies but also he weaves truth/lie/myth together as a form of entertainment which has always been very very effective.........there are some here that hate the sound of Rays voice but I am not one of them......I admit I do not like the man at all.....but I enjoy listening to Ray interviews and the like of the 'Myth & Reality' CD which is awesome....he has a gift for storytelling that is rare in people which I do admire and he can tell the same tale over and over (which he does endlessly) and still make it listenable..... He is not a nice person and has taken lies and hypocrisy to new heights but if you sat me down in a pub with Ray and a few beers i could listen to the guy chuck out stuff I knew to be complete bullshit all night.... Which is a very odd thing for ME to say....
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Post by nick on May 1, 2005 10:01:27 GMT
He does seem a great storyteller, haven't checked out the Myth and Reality cd myself tho. I recall callin into some radio show, like 3 years ago, and asking him a question. I didn't really have one when I called but had to wait on the line, so I had a chance to figure out something. What I ended up asking is about the influence of the beats on the band, meant to ask something a bit different tho, that seemed too common to ask. Anyway he just burst into a wax on them, the lifestyle of a poet kind of thing. Impressive in a way he could just rattle off something so articulated, as if you could just ask him anything and he could give you a solid thought and carry on for ages if it was something that sparked his intellect into doing so.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 1, 2005 10:12:16 GMT
That sums Ray up exactly mate He can talk about anything....does not matter if he knows about the subject or not....he will just make it up .....and he always sounds interesting.....its easy to call him the worlds greatest bullshitter (which he is a bit) but its more complex that that....Ray has the knack for storytelling and he is bloody good at it...... thats one of the things I do find sad in the last couple of years.....Ray interviews are full of spite and bile nowadays as he tries to defend the dork project...he insults Doors fans is nasty to reporters and defends his lies when caught out with churlishness behaviour rather than the light hippy behaviour of old......he has become a nasty old man taking on the world rather than the happy go lucky Ray of old......damn shame!
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Post by nick on May 1, 2005 11:21:37 GMT
I keep spinning my mind around the CNN/poets of the ancient world/storytelling comment... not that I've even breached further thought on that, it’s just a very interesting way to put it. Now I'm really wanting to hear that Ray CD, will have to go hunt up comments on it here and price it somewhere True about the defensiveness, not very Zen like of him to be that way, more "Dubya" Bush type of thinking. IN or OUT. His Light My Fire book is taken away from a bit with that, digs on John. Really dug it overall tho, great bit of storytellin there. Can't really go for the feel he gives at times like pot's some miracle weed tho, makes me think of Kerouac's quote concerning psychedelic drugs, which he'd been doing a decade maybe before they became a fade, that "walking on water wasn't built in a day"- Ray had real talent tho... so it's a bit different for him to talk that way.... The Doors didn't seem to buy into the wishywashy attitude so much as other bands. Hm, just thought- Maybe Ray's attitude is due to the fact that he doesn't smoke enough pot nowaday?
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Post by thebadcowboy on May 1, 2005 11:40:12 GMT
sounds a bit GAY to me alex........ you feelin alright....? I would take everything Ray says with a great big pinch of salt..... Ray talks a lot in mataphors and much of what he says is said for effect rather than an actual truth. I don't mind that in principle as Ray is similar to Jim. Where Jim had a lot in common with the Poets of the ancient world Ray has a lot in common with the storytellers of that time.......they were the CNN of the day and they would embellish great deeds into a rhetorical expression of events in order to give them a kind of supernatural worth that would be remembered forever..... Ray has a selective memory of events in Doors history and has a habit of always putting himself at the centre of things and diminishing others into a deferential role to his own actions. I do call him 'liar' often but its not as simple as that really.....Ray does tell a lot of lies but also he weaves truth/lie/myth together as a form of entertainment which has always been very very effective.........there are some here that hate the sound of Rays voice but I am not one of them......I admit I do not like the man at all.....but I enjoy listening to Ray interviews and the like of the 'Myth & Reality' CD which is awesome....he has a gift for storytelling that is rare in people which I do admire and he can tell the same tale over and over (which he does endlessly) and still make it listenable..... He is not a nice person and has taken lies and hypocrisy to new heights but if you sat me down in a pub with Ray and a few beers i could listen to the guy chuck out stuff I knew to be complete bullshit all night.... Which is a very odd thing for ME to say....
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 1, 2005 15:15:54 GMT
sounds a bit GAY to me alex........ you feelin alright....?
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Post by wtd on May 1, 2005 22:48:03 GMT
Yeah, I like the interviews when Ray, Robbie and John are being interviewed and John or Robbie will totally contradict what Ray is saying. For example, where Ray goes on about Jim still being alive and he faked his death. On one interview, John totally cuts Ray off and tells the story about running into Pam in restraunt in San Francisco and looking into Pam's face and he could tell Jim was dead by the distraught look on her face. Ray got all defensive. I think John just couldn't stand Ray trying to push this stupid myth about Jim faking his own death. But your right, Ray does tell a great story. And before the dork thing, I liked Ray too and respected him. But now I can't stand him. He's turned into a greedy old man. And like you say, whenever he says something, you just can't believe it.
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Post by darkstar on May 2, 2005 0:42:27 GMT
I agree you WTD. I remember reading back in the 70's that Ray staged a "Jim Morrison Disappearance" party at the Whisky in 1974 hoping to keep the myth alive. On January 18, 1998 Newsweek came out with an article called, "Morrison Boneyard-Strange Days." The author of this piece interviewed the Morrison family attorney and the officials at Pere Lachaise had this to say:
"The Morrison family lawyer, Christopher J. Mesnooh, claims the rumors of exhumation, "have no basis in fact." If the family were planning to dig him up, Mesnooh points out, they would not have bought the cemetery a high pressure cleaning machine to water-blast the graffiti. "
"Because Morrison's grave was purchased a'perpetuite - for eternity - the only people who may interfere with it are family members. In a somewhat lawyer-like fashion, the cemetery has adopted the position that they cannnot even comment on the future of the grave because they have no juridical power over it."
"The question doesn't even come up," says Natalie Delapraye, a spokeswoman at the graveyard, "and even if we wanted to, we couldn't do anything about his or any of the sites here. We just don't have the power."
I can remember reading where Ray praised people for destorying the cemetary when they came to visit Jim. He went further to say Jim would love it. I don't recall ever reading where Jim Morrison desecrated a graveyard. Manzarek doesn't have to pay for the damages, Jim Morrison pays for it out of his yearly royalities. Now there's a fence around his grave. I don't think the fence is what Jim would have had in mind, considering the line from "When The Music's Over"...."Tied her with fences and dragged her down."
Many newspapers and magazines retracted their comments on Morrison's body being exhumed but Manzarek kept telling people the body would be moved and/or in 2001 when the grave is opened there will be no body in it. He continues to this day to make up stories that aren't true as a means of supporting his own ego and for his own financial gain. It would seem Manzarek cannot function without Jim's support. The media is hip to this fact and Manzarek doesn't get away with his lies too much anymore atleast in the press. Of course some people will still choose to believe what he says but I for one think he's full and shit and have so for many, many years.
This new gig Manzarek cooked up know as D21C is his wet dream come true. Manzarek has the Doors band he's always wanted where's he's in complete control. He keeps Astbury on a short leash and doesn't have to put up with the unexpected like he did when Jim was around. His defensive attitude towards the people who put food in his mouth and roof over his head for the past 30 years is appauling to say the least. He even has the nerve to charge people for his autograph. I have no respect for the peice of shit that Manzarek has become. He deserves what he gets from the old fan base. Coupled with all the negative reviews I don't see his fantasy lasting to far into the future.
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Post by nicoblommers on Jun 26, 2005 22:05:00 GMT
thnx darkstar for the jef airplane story, I'm from the Netherlands and therefor find the story very fascinating. Always wanted to know more about the time the doors visited our little country!
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Post by ensenada on Jun 26, 2005 23:17:55 GMT
just read it for the first time...Jim was a fuckin funny guy to be fair. swallowing a shit load of hash....most of us probably just chuck the thing away....
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Post by gizmo on Jun 27, 2005 6:29:08 GMT
thnx darkstar for the jef airplane story, I'm from the Netherlands and therefor find the story very fascinating. Always wanted to know more about the time the doors visited our little country! a few years ago the vpro did a show about the same show and interviewing docters who worked in the hospital where jim was going the hall owner. ppl who saw him and mutch more damn i wanna have that footage ps i'm from holland as well
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Post by nicoblommers on Jun 28, 2005 12:47:09 GMT
nice to meet you gizmo,
It's a shame I've missed the vpro show, deffintely want to see the footage 2 !!!
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Post by gizmo on Sept 2, 2005 8:04:02 GMT
nice to meet you gizmo, It's a shame I've missed the vpro show, deffintely want to see the footage 2 !!! gemaakt door eric corton voor de vpro geloof ik
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Post by jimelda on Sept 3, 2005 13:16:35 GMT
nice to meet you gizmo, It's a shame I've missed the vpro show, deffintely want to see the footage 2 !!! gemaakt door eric corton voor de vpro geloof ik Hi Ger You know I have the video of Eric corton.... So you welkom to see it...... love and peace Hollandia.......
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Post by gizmo on Sept 12, 2005 6:51:56 GMT
gemaakt door eric corton voor de vpro geloof ik Hi Ger You know I have the video of Eric corton.... So you welkom to see it...... love and peace Hollandia....... i'd fuckin love to (take a look on lovestreet at the morrison hotel )
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Feb 28, 2023 11:22:31 GMT
What an idiot in any language. John said later after Jim died that he never missed a gig. Well he certainly missed that one. Melody Maker 21st September 1968
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