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Post by ensenada on Dec 23, 2004 15:51:57 GMT
anyone heard snoop doggs version of riders on the storm? what do you think of it? I loved it , it is a great tribute from one artist to another. its obvious that snoop is a doors fan, and a jim fan inparticular, with the lyrics "with the lizard king bumpin in the back" and refering to jim as though he is a passenger in snoops car, he lets jims vocals come through strong for the chorus and his own lyrics are great. but i am biased, as I like snoop. its just good to see the doors transcending music genres and reaching out to a new crowd.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Dec 23, 2004 16:06:05 GMT
I have seen a lot of debate on this and to be honest I'm not keen on this at all but I would argue with anyone that Morrison would appreciate it. He had a lot of time for street poets in LA and rap is just street poetry set to 'music'...... Last night I heard ROTS used by channel 5 to advertise some crap diaster movie they have on this week...The Storm or some such shite.....Snoop is doing much the same but getting a bigger audience. If it helps someone discover The Doors whats the harm....
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Post by ensenada on Dec 24, 2004 15:41:05 GMT
i have absolutely no doubt that it will bring a new audience to the doors. probably have bad ass bling bling homies coming to paris next year! lol what do you think of that break on through remix, link available on thedoors.com home page? I aint as keen on this one, its not as funky, and the lyrics dont come through as well for me.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Dec 24, 2004 16:18:56 GMT
i have absolutely no doubt that it will bring a new audience to the doors. probably have bad ass bling bling homies coming to paris next year! lol what do you think of that break on through remix, link available on thedoors.com home page? I aint as keen on this one, its not as funky, and the lyrics dont come through as well for me. I downloaded the whole thing from BBC BT V The Doors....its OK but I think like Snoop its a lot of fuss over very little.
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Post by ensenada on Dec 24, 2004 16:21:56 GMT
british telecom versus the doors? that would be an interesting fight! I am biased towards snoop i guess, but he metions Jim throughout the track so there is no doubt that he is a big fan of jim. I just love the track, funky and cool, I def reckon jim would like it.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Dec 24, 2004 16:32:17 GMT
british telecom versus the doors? that would be an interesting fight! I am biased towards snoop i guess, but he metions Jim throughout the track so there is no doubt that he is a big fan of jim. I just love the track, funky and cool, I def reckon jim would like it. I'm not dissing these guys...just not my scene....same with Fatboy....its flattering that these people show a bit of homage to rock history wether its those guys who used Zepps Kashmir in the rap song or Doggy. Fair play to them......
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Post by jym on Dec 29, 2004 12:50:10 GMT
I'm going to be the dissenting voice here.
No, no no! Although I haven't heard it I read the lyrics that were posted somewhere, & Calvin Broadus adding lyrics to Jim Morrison's is hideous, he's not in the same league as Morrison. & Adding a few allusions to sex & dirty words doesn't make you a genius. ;D
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Post by ensenada on Dec 29, 2004 19:58:33 GMT
nah snoops is a superb artist, he has created some brilliant stuff that has influenced many people himself. i just think its a great amalgamation of difrerent styles. you should hear it first dude. i suppose if you dont like r and b then you wont be as open to it. i may be biased, but its a great tune, just listen to it and give it a chance ;D
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Post by jym on Dec 29, 2004 20:41:04 GMT
Nah, I'm not being reasonable today ;D It would detract to much from my position.
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Post by ensenada on Jan 26, 2005 15:05:16 GMT
I have been looking on the LL and there is a thread about snoops song saying its a disgrace and quite a few people agreeing with it. this does piss me off! some people are so blinkered that they slate the tune BEFORE they have even heard it. dont they realise that there is life after the doors? its a bloody good song, i spose you have to appreciate R&B, but even if you dont, its a funky tune and an excellent tribute!
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Post by peter on Jan 26, 2005 19:21:28 GMT
there is a dvd/video where morrison is talking about the future music
he is talking about rap and house kind of music whit a computer i think he would not mine snoop dogg and fat boy slim and etc etc
shows you how great the doors still are
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Post by peter on Jan 26, 2005 19:25:24 GMT
you can find the song here:
[ftp]ftp://82.197.231.155/bug%27s%20stuff/Snoop%20Dogg%20feat.%20The%20Doors%20-%20Riders%20on%20the%20Storm%20%28Fredwreck%20ReMix%29.mp3[/ftp]
click it our copy paste it in youre ftp program like leech and hit tab and enter
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Post by jimbo on Jan 26, 2005 19:44:05 GMT
I really dig this song. It's a nice tribute, I'm no fan of rap so I was skeptical at first but its got a great sound.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jan 26, 2005 20:57:41 GMT
Only heard a snippet before and was not too bothered but now hearing the full six minutes I think its rather good.....hardly an insult to the memory of Jim Morrison....same sort of charge was levelled at Fat Boy Slim with Bird Of Prey but these people pay homage to Jim in thier way and we pay homage to jim in ours... cool!
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Post by ensenada on Jan 27, 2005 12:57:57 GMT
there is a dvd/video where morrison is talking about the future music he is talking about rap and house kind of music whit a computer i think he would not mine snoop dogg and fat boy slim and etc etc shows you how great the doors still are to start with, it is their homage to jim. this alone is great that rap and dj artists appreciate the doors and jim's lyrics. Snoops ROTS for example has great feeling and soul in it, you can get lost in it just like the original ROTS. As for jim talking about future artists, that was on the PBS interview before the performance and can be found on sound stage performances. Jim does say that he sees artists using eectronics and perhaps being on their own using electrics to create the music. I have always claimed that jim predicted DJ and artists like snoop. but did they have anyone like this in the sixties that could create music like that? i know they had djs in the sixties, but jim wasnt describing them was he?
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Post by darkstar on Jan 27, 2005 14:45:16 GMT
When I first saw the entire PBS interview from 1969 Rap music didn't even enter my head as being connected to what Jim was talking about. Jim mentioned the roots of American Music he referred at one point to the West Virginia high and lonesome sound - this made me think of what was being developed into what would be called Southern Rock: Lynyrd Skynyrd, Outlaws, Molly Hatchett, etc.
Jim mentioned electronic music I could see Pink Floyd (Dark Side Of The Moon - Jim was a fan of Pink Floyd), also Electric Light Orchestra, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Yes, and certain aspects of music that Led Zeppelin produced like Kashmir. There's a lots of examples of the music that followed the Doors directly after the bands demise.
Of course this my opinion having grown up as teenager in the 70's. My first concert was in 1972 Deep Purple since that time I have been to many, many concerts and I always think of the music scene of that time as compared to what Jim's ideas reflected in the PBS interview in 1969. Even this past year at Ozzfest there was a band called Dimmu Borgir that I had never seen before and I was listening to their music and I could hear several influences of different bands in their music. Not in a cover tune sense, but their own creation of lyrics and music that reflected their influences.
In my opinion Snoop Dog doing a Doors cover tune is along the lines of what has been happening since 1999 where different artists "sample" other people's music and sometimes put their own lyrics over an existing track and call it their own. I believe the reasoning behind Snoop Dog covering Riders On The Storm is in the norm for Rap artists to be doing these days.
I don't see any similarity in Rap music being a part of what Jim was talking about in 1969. Its a fact that Manzarek has made a point of tying this '69 interview to Rap music due to the possiblity of potential earnings by rappers covering Doors tunes. As for Jim being the person referring to Rap in '69 being a part of the future music scene I can't agree. In my opinion Rock music was primarly developed from original blues music and blues music and rap are completely seperate in musical styles. Taking an LP and sliding it across a turn table while someone speaks over the noises doesn't compare to the rhythms associated with the blues.
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Post by peter on Jan 27, 2005 19:20:42 GMT
i know they had djs in the sixties, but jim wasnt describing them was he? nope if you ask me
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Post by ensenada on Jan 29, 2005 0:17:12 GMT
so what we are possibly saying is that Jim prophecised the appearance of people/artists who could create music from sampling, electronics etc and not just the humble DJ who plays other peoples tracks? did they not have people sampling music then and using it for themselves or working with electronics in music.
I must admit when i first heard jim say this, I told all my mates that jim foresaw the rise of the DJ, you know people like the chemical brothers and fat boy slim etc who incidentaly did his own cover of bird of prey, which i liked!
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jan 29, 2005 9:52:34 GMT
so what we are possibly saying is that Jim prophecised the appearance of people/artists who could create music from sampling, electronics etc and not just the humble DJ who plays other peoples tracks? did they not have people sampling music then and using it for themselves or working with electronics in music. I must admit when i first heard jim say this, I told all my mates that jim foresaw the rise of the DJ, you know people like the chemical brothers and fat boy slim etc who incidentaly did his own cover of bird of prey, which i liked! The first band to use sampling were Pink Floyd in 1972 for the ground breaking album Dark Side Of The Moon. Nobody had ever heard anything like it when it was released. It made use of electronics in a way unheard of in music at the time...... The 70s was the most musically innovative decade in the history of music...... Of course The Doors too used various innovative studio tricks for Strange Days but Pink Floyd are the grandaddies of all the modern day DJ/samplers whatever you wanna call 'em.
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Post by ensenada on Feb 1, 2005 18:50:47 GMT
hmmm, so perhaps what jim ws saying was already in the pipelines, so to speak.
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