The Third Mind 2006

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The Third Mind 2006



The Third Mind, directed by William Tyler Smith, is a documentary focusing on the collaboration of Michael McClure and Ray Manzarek.
The video, narrated by Peter Coyote and screened to critical acclaim at the 1996 Venice International Film Festival, was also shown at other film festivals and on the Sundance channel.


... "William Tyler Smith's The Third Mind, an incisive and engaging exploration of McClure and Manzarek's collaboration. Smith has struck a deft balance between the concert film and the documentary in which we can both enjoy McClure and Manzarek in performance and get to know how they feel about their collaboration. There are plenty of insights from other Beat era figures, including the late Allen Ginsberg, who sees their working together as " ripening of good karma."

Diane Di Prima, quoting William Burroughs, remarks that a good collaboration results in a "third mind." Lawrence Ferlinghetti describes McClure's poetry as "a beautiful cry of the beast," and McClure's soaring poems celebrate the human spirit and express a fervent concern for the preservation of the environment. Of his widely varied accompaniment, Manzarek says that he combines "a little collision" -- i.e., occasional counterpoint -- with "making love to the words." The Third Mind has lots of energy and style, with its many participants sharp in their commentaries, and it is an altogether stimulating work. Ferlinghetti salutes McClure's sense of commitment, observing that "We can no longer afford art for art's sake."
Kevin Thomas
The Los Angeles Times



1 Introduction
2 Love Lion Blues
3 Brief History Of Ray Manzarek And Michael McClure
4 Action Philosophy
5 The Influence Of The Beat Poets
6 In Memoriam
7 The Second Meeting
8 Stanzas In Turmoil
9 Beat Culture And Music
10 Maybe Mama Lion
11 The Rise Of The Jazz Poet
12 High Heelz
13 American Bard And The Third Mind
14 Czechoslovakia
15 Mama Lion, Cause And Effect
16 Antechamber Of The Night



The Third Mind
A Marriage of Rock and Poetry
Michael McClure, Ray Manzarek collaborate on film

Oakland poet and playwright Michael McClure first met pianist Ray Manzarek in 1968, during a recording session for the Doors' classic album ``Waiting for the Sun.'' Doors lead singer Jim Morrison introduced the two, starting a friendship and creative association that has lasted three decades.

Their latest collaboration, ``The Third Mind,'' is a performance video-documentary featuring live concert footage of McClure reading his poems to the mostly improvised rhythms of Manzarek's piano. The film, with narration by Peter Coyote, was just released by Mystic Fire Video and is available at Tower Records and at www.mysticfire.com.

The documentary segments trace the beginning of the poetry renaissance through 1950s San Francisco, setting McClure and Manzarek's memories against the grandeur of the city. Viewers are taken on a tour of the place that for nearly two centuries has drawn writers like a magnet.

McClure is one of the original Beat writers belonging to the movement that included Jack Kerouac, Allen Ginsberg, William Burroughs and Gregory Corso. These modern descendants of Arthur Rimbaud and William Blake became united in a common cause, dedicating themselves to freedom of thought and expression.

``What I remember most about San Francisco in the '50s is the tremendous sense of brotherhood and community that existed between the poets,'' McClure says. ``There was a definite competition between us, but there was also a tremendous belief in what we were saying, in what we were trying to do. We looked out for each other and protected each other. And that feeling's at the core of what Ray and I do in concert: feeding back and forth off of each other, interacting onstage spontaneously, instinctively.''

``The Third Mind'' also includes clips of Morrison reading his poetry. The singer had always considered himself a poet in the tradition of the Beat generation. However, he took it one step further, using rock 'n' roll as a tool to bring poetry to the people. Morrison reads with passion and depth -- in a matter of seconds he sheds his public face and invites viewers into a world of perpetual motion, mysticism and mystery.

``I first discovered Morrison's poetry in London in 1968,'' McClure says. ``It was so perfect and pristine, startling in its uniqueness, in the condensation of imagery. And he kept it so completely hidden. Other than himself and his wife, Pamela, I think I was the only one who really knew that side of Jim.''

Manzarek agrees: ``I think `The Third Mind' places Jim in his proper poetic context. We started the Doors because of Jim's writing and my music. It was a marriage of rock 'n' roll to poetry, just as the beatniks had married jazz to poetry in San Francisco in the 1950s. What I do with Michael now is equal to what I did with Jim, except that Michael and I work on an intimate acoustic level. That electric sound isn't there, but the passion and intensity remind me of what the Doors were doing.''

Manzarek met Morrison in the early 1960s, while they were film students at the University of California at Los Angeles. At the time, America was divided, reeling through the war in Vietnam. Caught up in that fury, feeling alienated, the two decided to set some of Morrison's words to music. The connection was immediate, the songs raw and powerful, brimming with primal rage.

``In the late '60s I turned away from rock 'n' roll because it was being swallowed up by the corporations,'' McClure says. ``Then I heard the Doors, and I was astounded by their sound. You only had to hear Morrison's vocal and Manzarek's organ one time to know that America wasn't going to buy out the Doors.''

The performances in ``The Third Mind'' are intriguing, with McClure's lyrics framed by the haunting lilt of Manzarek's music. Poet and musician become one, words driving music, music driving a hot- white rhythm.

``One of the pieces I enjoy performing most now is a series of haiku from my last book, `Rain Mirror,' '' McClure says. ``Instead of the words being painted with sumi ink on silk, they're being painted with the voice on a continuous sheaf of music flowing in the air above Ray's piano. Like what Kerouac was doing with David Amram in jazz clubs in the '50s, marrying poetry to music.''

``Our work is primarily done with the college audience in mind,'' Manzarek says. ``Poetry is a very dynamic and very exciting art form. It actually touches the soul. Hopefully Michael and I can help young people come to this realization.''
John Aiello, Sunday, March 19, 2000
San Francisco Chronicle

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What follows is an on line chat Ray did to discuss The Third Mind and of course Jim and The Doors....

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NetCafeLive: Welcome to NetCafeLive! Tonight we are chatting with former Doors keyboardist Ray Manzarek, who will discuss his new video, "The Third Mind" that he made with Beat poet Michael McClure. NetCafeLive is presented by Borders, Inc. and Talk City, Inc. Welcome Ray!

Ray Manzarek: Hi everybody! Great to be talking to you!

Rayanne: At what age did you know you wanted to be a musician and how did you know?

Ray Manzarek: It was probably at the age of about 10. That's when I discovered "boogie-woogie" piano. I took piano lessons starting at the age of 7 or 8. I didn't care for it until I heard "black music--African American music". Then I learned to play "boogie-woogie" piano and that was it! I was hooked! And I stayed hooked for the rest of my life.

Sigmagirl: Who first encouraged you to perform?

Ray Manzarek: My mother and father. They were wonderful. They were very supportive of my wanting to play rock and roll and jazz. I had a great set of parents.

Soap4: In the early years of The Doors, you guys caused quite a controversy with your music and antics. Now older and wiser, what do you think (if anything) you would have changed?

Ray Manzarek: Jim's drinking. I wouldn't have changed anything other than allowing Jim Morrison to drink himself to death. That's my great sadness.

HipLeann: Do you play mostly by ear or do you read the music?

Ray Manzarek: I do both. At first, you have to learn how to read music. Then, once you understand it, you improvise. It's not so much playing by ear. It's improvising. And experimenting. That's what I do with Michael McClure, and our new video, "The Third Mind" which is on Mystic Fire video. It can be reached at www.mysticfire.com/. It's all about my improvisation with a poet, just like I worked improvising with Jim Morrison.

Hamm: Where did the concept for "The Third Mind" come from?

Ray Manzarek: It came from the meeting point of music and poetry. Michael McClure and I have been performing together for the last decade. We wanted to put what we did on video so that people could see it in their own homes. In the video, there are also words from Allen Ginsberg, Jim Carroll, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, and Le Ranaldo from Sonic Youth, among others. It's an exploration of art and reality.

HipLeann: On your new album will you be playing piano or organ?

Ray Manzarek: Piano. And it's not an album, it's a video. You will see me playing with Michael McClure, who is incidentally, Jim Morrison's poetry mentor.

HipLeann: It is rumored that there is a second voice in the song "Crystal Ship." If so where do I need to pay attention to it?

Ray Manzarek: There is not a second voice, to my knowledge. If there is, I don't know where it came from. Perhaps it's a haunting--The sound of a specter!

Anthony 108: What was it like working with Jim Morrison? And what do you miss about that time the most?

Ray Manzarek: It was wonderful working with Jim Morrison. He was very exciting, passionate, creative and inventive. I miss the energy, most of all, of Jim Morrison, on planet Earth.

JimMorrison 1: What was it like when Jim Morrison would stray from the actual lyrics of a song on stage and the band would play according to what he was doing?

Ray Manzarek: It was great! It was again, improvisation. John and Robby and I all had the ability to improvise on our instruments the same way Jim improvised with his words. We would go into the unknown together and dance with the angels. I do the exact same thing with poet, Michael McClure.

Wendigrl: What do you think that Jim would be doing if he was still alive?

Ray Manzarek: Jim would be singing, writing poetry, making films, writing books, and enjoying his life. Enjoying his life in the sunshine of Southern California.

Laziass1: Who wrote the music for "Light My Fire" and how did they come up with it?

Ray Manzarek: I wrote the music with Robbie Krieger and John Densmore. I tell the story of the creation of "Light My Fire" in my book "Light My Fire--My Life with The Doors" on Putnam. It just came out in paperback before Christmas. I tell the stories of the creation of The Doors, my meeting with Jim Morrison at UCLA, and all of the wild and crazy times of the four Doors together from Venice Beach to New York City. It's a great book, if I do say so myself, and you really ought to read it if you are into The Doors. If you have read "No One Here Gets Out Alive", you have to read my book, "Light My Fire--My Life with The Doors.

Blueyes: How long did it take you to overcome The Doors legacy?

Ray Manzarek: I haven't yet and never will. It's not something to overcome. It's something to live with and enjoy, and love.

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Griz-25: What percentage of The Doors songwriting did you contribute to?

Ray Manzarek: Twenty-five percent.

Jac Holtzman: Ray, what was your favorite song to perform live?

Ray Manzarek: "Light My Fire!" It allowed Robbie and me to really stretch out and improvise. Jim would go off and have a beer, while the three of us jammed our heads off. Sometimes, it would last for 15 to 20 minutes. Man! It was fun!

Jac Holtzman: Ray, I have so many questions. Were you a little jealous of Robbie jamming with Creed at Woodstock? I was! I wish you could have joined them!

Ray Manzarek: I thought it was great! I was so happy to hear about the great reception that Robbie Krieger received at Woodstock. He certainly deserves it. He has been a very under-rated guitar player. He is a true genius on the frets.

JBM316: Hey, Ray! Never thought I'd get to speak with an American legend like you. Anyway, are Danny Sugerman's books on The Doors authorized and legit? Does he know of what he speaks?

Ray Manzarek: Yes. Danny Sugerman's book "No One Here Gets Out Alive" is authorized, but again, you have to read Ray Manzarek's book "Light My Fire--My Life with The Doors". I will tell you about our acid trips and many other very private and personal things.

MIbrandywine: What was your favorite venue to play?

Ray Manzarek: The Fillmore and the Avalon in San Francisco. Two psychedelic ballrooms! If you've never been--and you probably haven't--to a psychedelic ballroom, all I can say is WOW! What an experience!

Blueyes: How do you feel music has changed in the last few decades and do you prefer the old styles or today's more?

Ray Manzarek: I prefer both. The classic stuff from the 60's, which is truly great music; and what I like about today's music, acid, jazz, hip hop, and electronica in general. I think that's the wave of the future, deep and heavy and spiritual electronica.

Jac Holtzman: Ray, sorry for flooding you with questions. What was it like working with Gregory Hines in "Deal of the Century"? Any plans to collaborate with him again?

Ray Manzarek: That was a real trip! Gregory is a terrific actor and a really good guy. He's easy to talk to, fun to hang out with, and very intelligent. Not to mention one of the great dancers on planet Earth. Unfortunately, we have no plans to collaborate in the future, although, now that you bring it up, perhaps I ought to give him a call and see if we can put something together. Thanks!

Vivvee: Where are all the members of The Doors from? And where did you meet?

Ray Manzarek: Jim Morrison and Ray Manzarek met at the UCLA film school. Jim is from Florida. I'm from Chicago. John and Robbie are native-born Los Angeles guys. Jim and I met at UCLA, and I met John and Robbie in the Maharaja's meditation center. That was a hip, yoga, mantra of sound that we were all into. Again, I tell this whole story in my book "Light My Fire--My Life with The Doors" on Putnam.

HSCOL: What was your favorite Doors album? Which one did you think was The Doors best work?

Ray Manzarek: I think my favorite album is "Strange Days." It's not necessarily our best album but it's my favorite album. Because we finally learned how to play the recording studio on the second album. We went from four tracks in the first album to eight tracks on the second album. And it gave us immense freedom and room to be creative. I never had more fun in my life than recording "Strange Days."

Griz-25: How has Jim's death affected your career aside from the emotional aspect?

Ray Manzarek: Well, it affected my career by ending The Doors, so I was no longer able to continue as The Doors and went off on my own to record solo albums, produce rock bands, make videos, and write a book. I would give it all up to have Jim Morrison back.

Jamr2k: What's going on with the grave of Jim in Paris?

Ray Manzarek: They say it's going to be moved on July 6th, 2001. Jim was put into the ground on July 6th, 1971. 30 years later, his lease has expired. Somehow, in Paris, at the graveyard, it's only a lease, rather than being buried there forever. However, I hope and I think they won't be digging him up. It sure would be grizzly, gruesome, and way too morbid.

Effie: Looking back at the '60s from today's perspective, do you sometimes wonder how you survived it?

Ray Manzarek: Believe me, I wonder how people survive today. There was so much love in the 60's, and passion, and searching for truth and spirituality of a truly cosmic nature, that I wonder how people really live today without the values of the 60's.

Soap4: What are Robbie Krieger and John Densmore doing these days?

Ray Manzarek: John Densmore has produced a movie, a documentary, about prison life in the South, directed by his wife, Leslie Neal. Robbie Krieger is about to release a jazz/rock album. It's called "Movie Music" and it should be out soon. They are both well.

MaNgOMuFfIn713: Ray, I loved your book. It was great and I have grown up on The Doors since I was little. There are so many questions I have. But what was it like knowing that The Doors influenced America's youth like they did, and continue to do today? I'm only 17 and, to be honest, we idolize The Doors here. You guys are great!

Ray Manzarek: It's great to know that people your age are hip to The Doors. It means that you guys are all very intelligent because, let's face it, The Doors are not trash rock. They require some use of your mind to understand Jim's words and The Doors' music so I'm very proud and very happy to be an influence on the young people of America. Hopefully, you guys will help us finish the work that we started in the 60's. In other words, changing the world. Making it a cleaner place, a better place, a more loving place in which we can all live in peace, love, harmony and adventure.

SimpleWOman40pa: From the time you guys actually met, how long did you jam together and did you go out of the states to tour?

Ray Manzarek: It took six months of jamming together and playing cheesy gigs on the Sunset Strip before we made it to the Whiskey A-Go-Go. Then we played through the summer of 1966 and were signed by Electra Records in late August. We recorded the first album in two weeks in the middle of September. We went to New York in November to play Ondines, mix the record in New York, and released it in January of 1967.

Jazz E Joe: Since you mention jazz, were you influenced by New Orleans or other places/players?

Ray Manzarek: I was influenced by John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Duke Ellington, Cannonball Adderly, Bill Evans (piano player), Ramsey Lewis (piano player), and Ahmad Jamal. They were my main jazz influences. I was more into the cool school of bebop and model, tonal, Miles Davis style stuff, as opposed to New Orleans music.

Dj-BoReDoM: Do you feel that the "Soft Parade" album was too commercial?

Ray Manzarek: Boy! I wish it was more commercial! It's actually our least selling album. However, perhaps you mean "The Sound of the Horns and Strings." I like "The Sound," myself. We had made three albums with the basic four Doors. By the time the "Soft Parade" came along, we wanted to expand our sound and experiment with playing with other musicians. I think, as an experiment, it works extremely well, and I really like the sound of all of the other instruments. However, it's our least selling album. Oh well!

JEDPREN67: How did you arrive at the name "The Doors?"

Ray Manzarek: It has to do with opening The Doors in your mind. Aldous Huxley has a book called "The Doors of Perception." I suggest you read it. That's where the name "The Doors" comes from.

Siggie: How long did it take to make "The Third Mind?"

Ray Manzarek: We recorded one evening on video at The Bottom Line in New York City. We performed two sets. Then, we shot all of the other poets and shot Michael and I in New York City, San Francisco, and Los Angeles. So all told, the shooting took about three or four months, off and on. And then we edited and mixed "The Third Mind" in about three more months. So, all told, around six months to put the whole video together.

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Carousel: Did you have a lot of say in the shooting of your video "The Third Mind?"

Ray Manzarek: Yes I did. But, mainly the director, William Tyler Smith, a great young documentary filmmaker, is responsible for the look of "The Third Mind." He was terrific to work with. And of course, Michael and I had a great deal of input.

Blueyes: How has the overall reaction to your new video been and do you plan others?

Ray Manzarek: The reaction, thank you, has been super. The critics like it and the people who have seen it also like it. So far, "The Third Mind" has been so well received, that we're definitely thinking of doing another.

CSN2000: Where is the new video available?

Ray Manzarek: It's available at www.amazon.com/, www.borders.com/, www.mysticfire.com/ and video stores around the country.

JimMorrison 1: When are you going on the road to promote "The Third Mind?"

Ray Manzarek: Michael and I have talked about going out, perhaps in March or April. We don't have any definite plans as of yet.

HSCOL: Are there any of today's musical artists you would like to work with?

Ray Manzarek: I would like to work with some of the electronic players, like Moby or D.J. Rodriguez, D.J. Spooky, The Chemical Brothers, Fat Boy Slim, and that kind of musician.

Jac Holtzman: Are Pablo and Waylon getting together anytime soon for some shows? Have you seen the OKB band? They are impressive, I think.

Ray Manzarek: No. Pablo is playing with Nick and Zack Young in a band called "Artificial Intelligence." Their record will be out in May and they are on DreamWorks records and they will be touring in the summer.

Palehorse: Hey Ray, how would you compare today's music with the great acid bands as far as the depth of their music, and the skill of the musicians?

Ray Manzarek: Well, guys, you shouldn't ask me questions like that because you know what I think about the musicians of the 60's--the spiritual seeking of the 60's and the passion of the 60's. I sure hope we see it again now that we are in the 21st Century. It's up to you young players to re-invent music and re-capture the passion to save the world. And I know you can do it, because I've heard some brilliant musicians playing today. I just want it all to come together--lyrics, music, chord changes, rhythmic structure and commitment to the God within all of us. We are all one, and our obligation is to save this planet, before the greed mongers destroy it. When we take on that task, the music will leap forward into the new age. I can hardly wait.

Mexicannitmare: Which song of The Doors do you think was the best written and well constructed?

Ray Manzarek: That's an impossible question. No one song, to me, stands out as the best. Each song is unique, different, and exciting to me. I love them all, but I must say I really love "Riders On The Storm".

Staindkornbzkt: Was it hard for people to accept a rock band with no bass?

Ray Manzarek: Well, not really. We had a bass player. It was my left hand. Playing a big, fat, keyboard piece. So no one ever said to us, "Hey! Get a bass player." Actually, in San Francisco, Stanley Owsley, the king of acid manufacturing, said to me, backstage at the Fillmore, "You've got to get a rhythm guitar player. You have too many holes in the music." And I said, "No Stanley. Those holes are where infinity shines through," and left him with that thought.

Jac Holtzman: Does Michael McClure feel he and Jim would have collaborated on several projects had he returned from France? It seemed they were off to a creative partnership before Jim left us.

Ray Manzarek: Absolutely! Jim and Michael were always working on things together. Nothing actually came of it, but had Jim come back from Paris, Man! Michael, Jim and I would be working together. I would have loved that, and so would Michael. Many times, when we perform, as we do in "The Third Mind," I think Jim Morrison would love to be on stage, doing exactly what Michael is doing. Reading his poetry with me, playing the piano behind his poetry. It would have been so much fun working with both of them.

Dj-BoReDoM: Is it true there's a new, more poetic Doors movie coming out called "Celebration of the Lizard?"

Ray Manzarek: That is a stage show. What we are doing is trying to put a musical together for Broadway. It will debut in San Diego, put on by the San Diego Reparatory Company, and the first performance will be May 26th, and if I do say so myself, it's terrific. Wait until you hear it and wait until you hear the new arrangements of Doors songs. I think you are going to love it. I know that I do.

Blueyes: How has the overall reaction to your new video been and do you plan others?

Ray Manzarek: The reaction, thank you, has been super. The critics like it and the people who have seen it also like it. So far, "The Third Mind" has been so well received, that we're definitely thinking of doing another.

CSN2000: Where is the new video available?

Ray Manzarek: It's available at www.amazon.com/, www.borders.com/, www.mysticfire.com/ and video stores around the country.

JimMorrison 1: When are you going on the road to promote "The Third Mind?"

Ray Manzarek: Michael and I have talked about going out, perhaps in March or April. We don't have any definite plans as of yet.

HSCOL: Are there any of today's musical artists you would like to work with?

Ray Manzarek: I would like to work with some of the electronic players, like Moby or D.J. Rodriguez, D.J. Spooky, The Chemical Brothers, Fat Boy Slim, and that kind of musician.

Jac Holtzman: Are Pablo and Waylon getting together anytime soon for some shows? Have you seen the OKB band? They are impressive, I think.

Ray Manzarek: No. Pablo is playing with Nick and Zack Young in a band called "Artificial Intelligence." Their record will be out in May and they are on DreamWorks records and they will be touring in the summer.

Palehorse: Hey Ray, how would you compare today's music with the great acid bands as far as the depth of their music, and the skill of the musicians?

Ray Manzarek: Well, guys, you shouldn't ask me questions like that because you know what I think about the musicians of the 60's--the spiritual seeking of the 60's and the passion of the 60's. I sure hope we see it again now that we are in the 21st Century. It's up to you young players to re-invent music and re-capture the passion to save the world. And I know you can do it, because I've heard some brilliant musicians playing today. I just want it all to come together--lyrics, music, chord changes, rhythmic structure and commitment to the God within all of us. We are all one, and our obligation is to save this planet, before the greed mongers destroy it. When we take on that task, the music will leap forward into the new age. I can hardly wait.

Mexicannitmare: Which song of The Doors do you think was the best written and well constructed?

Ray Manzarek: That's an impossible question. No one song, to me, stands out as the best. Each song is unique, different, and exciting to me. I love them all, but I must say I really love "Riders On The Storm".

Staindkornbzkt: Was it hard for people to accept a rock band with no bass?

Ray Manzarek: Well, not really. We had a bass player. It was my left hand. Playing a big, fat, keyboard piece. So no one ever said to us, "Hey! Get a bass player." Actually, in San Francisco, Stanley Owsley, the king of acid manufacturing, said to me, backstage at the Fillmore, "You've got to get a rhythm guitar player. You have too many holes in the music." And I said, "No Stanley. Those holes are where infinity shines through," and left him with that thought.

Jac Holtzman: Does Michael McClure feel he and Jim would have collaborated on several projects had he returned from France? It seemed they were off to a creative partnership before Jim left us.

Ray Manzarek: Absolutely! Jim and Michael were always working on things together. Nothing actually came of it, but had Jim come back from Paris, Man! Michael, Jim and I would be working together. I would have loved that, and so would Michael. Many times, when we perform, as we do in "The Third Mind," I think Jim Morrison would love to be on stage, doing exactly what Michael is doing. Reading his poetry with me, playing the piano behind his poetry. It would have been so much fun working with both of them.

Dj-BoReDoM: Is it true there's a new, more poetic Doors movie coming out called "Celebration of the Lizard?"

Ray Manzarek: That is a stage show. What we are doing is trying to put a musical together for Broadway. It will debut in San Diego, put on by the San Diego Reparatory Company, and the first performance will be May 26th, and if I do say so myself, it's terrific. Wait until you hear it and wait until you hear the new arrangements of Doors songs. I think you are going to love it. I know that I do.

Duranomyte: What would you most like The Doors to be remembered for?

Ray Manzarek: Good music. Good lyrics. Good poetry. Passionate, intense playing.

NetCafeLive: Thank you so much for being with us Ray! Unfortunately we are almost out of time. Do you have any parting words for us?

Ray Manzarek: My words are the same words as Jesus Christ. Love, Love, Love. And as Jim Morrison said, "Love is the Answer." Love each other as you would have others love you. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Man! It's the oldest thing in the world but the hardest to do. If we all do it together, we can certainly change the destiny of America and make it a better place for all of us. That's what we tried to do in the 60's, and I hope that's what we can all continue doing in the 21st Century. Thanks very much! What a great bunch of questions! You guys are terrific.

NetCafeLive: We thank you for participating in our chat tonight, and a very special 'Thank You' to our guest Ray Manzarek.

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January 28, 2000

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