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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jul 11, 2005 23:30:51 GMT
Here is another website that like ours does not know what its talking about ..  www.doorshistory.com/doors1965.htmlI have seen Ray refer to both July and August as the date he met Jim.......John puts it in June and July in his book. 1965 is probably the most difficult year to pin down precisely but this info is well researched and the guys who did this and Greg Shaw did not just pull these dates out of thier asses. If the date of the demo at World Pacific Jazz Studios is solid which it seems to be its unlikely Ray and Jim hooked up in mid August as that would give them 2 weeks to recruit John and rehearse enough to sort the demo out....John would have practically have been recruited the next day and we know it took a while to get him......so it seems more likely what Shaw and the above site state is nearer the truth. It gives a date of August 20th for John (who joined on that date after some rehearsals with the band) and late September for Robby joining The Doors. These seem reasonably plausible as it still gives them time to work up the demo with John. So The Doors were born in July....grew a bit in August and were fully formed in September. All the shit coming from the Doors management and thier arce crawlers is a load of old bollocks. Doors 40th anniversary is NOW! 2005 NOT 2 years time.......don't let the fuckers get away with it.....you got sod all but your voice when it comes to The Doors running of the show.....if you can then fucking use it because if you don't the bastards will just walk all over you!  "1965, 6, 7, 8, 9, 1970 there was a group called the Doors and The Doors tried to get out as far out as they could and take the audience with them"Ray Manzarek sitting on Venice beach at the start of The Doors: NOHGOA The Doors Tribute To Jim Morrison Video/DVD 1981 |
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Post by darkstar on Jul 11, 2005 23:38:20 GMT
2007 marks the 40th year in which the first big royalty checks were issued by Elektra and of course Ray and Dorothy were married.
Like you said Alex it's all about greed. This is just another marketing tool directed by Doors management.
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Post by darkstar on Jul 12, 2005 1:02:29 GMT
Martin Pitts Inverview With Ray Manzarek of the Doors (Part I) (In 1991 Martin Pitts interviewed Ray Manzarek for a television special on the roots of American music. The show was broadcast throughout the world and received much favorable attention. Recently, a transcript of the show was discovered, and American Legends is pleased to present this classic interview which was thought to have been lost.) MP: How did you and Jim Morrison decide to form a band? RM: We graduated from the UCLA Film School in the summer of 1965. Jim was going to go to New York City, and I was going to stay in L.A. I was sitting on a beach in Venice a month or two after graduation, in the middle of July, thinking, What am I going to do? I've got a masters degree in film, big deal. I don't know anybody in film-- I don't have any relatives in Hollywood. How am I going to get a job making movies? So I'm sitting on the beach looking up at the sun--a beautiful day. And I open my eyes and walking along the shore break, maybe 10-15 yards away, was a guy I recognized--sort of. And I thought, Who? My God, that's Jim Morrison. And I said, "Hey, Jim, Hey Morrison, come over here." And Jim came from the water with the sun behind him, and I watched the figure with the light spilling around him. It was getting to be about four o'clock, and the light was shimmering around Jim Morrison. And he came up to me, and he looked fabulous. He'd lost thirty pounds--he was a little on the chubby side at UCLA. He looked hard and lean and his hair was grown out. And I said, "Man, you look great. What have you been doing?" He said, "Nothing." "I thought you were going to New York?" He said, "No, I decided to stay here." "What have you been up to?" And he said: "I've been writing songs..." I said, "Whoa, that's interesting, writing songs. Well, sing a song for me. Let me hear one." He knew I was a musician. I knew he was a poet...So he sat down on the beach, and he dug his hands into the sand, and the sand was streaming out. And he began to sing, "Moonlight Drive" in this really haunting kind of voice. It was soft--a soft, but powerful voice. Almost like Chet Baker used to sing. And when Jim Morrison sang those first words: "Let's swim to the moon Let's climb through the tide Penetrate the evenin' that the City sleeps to hide... I thought-- Wow. Those are great lyrics. And he continued the song, and I thought this is one of the best Rock & Roll songs I've ever heard. The lyrics are haunted and psychedelic. They're about life and death and existence and love. As Morrison was singing, I could hear the things that I could play behind it. Just funky kind of. It was a funky song. And I said, "'Moonlight Drive.' That's fabulous, man. Do you have any other songs?" And he said, "Yeah, I've got a couple more." And he started to sing a few more songs. I can't recall exactly which ones they were. But they were brilliant. Just Jim's singing and hearing what I could play behind them. I said, "Wow, hey, let's get a rock and roll band together." And he said, "That's exactly what I want to do." And I said, "Fabulous man. Do you have a name for the band? "Yeah," he told me. And I said, "Well, what is it?" And he said, "the Doors." www.americanlegends.com/morrison/manzarek.html |
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Post by darkstar on Jul 12, 2005 1:12:01 GMT
Doorsmanagement Jul 9 2005, 07:50 PM Post #18 Group: Super Administrators Here is the official viewpoint: Jim & Ray discussed forming a band in 1965. After that, Jim sang with Rick & The Ravens, they talked about putting together their own band, they met Robby & John, etc., etc., etc. This all took time. Their first demos were passed on, they finally got a deal, met Rothchild, and went to work creating what was to be THE DOORS. That meant their sound, their songs, their recordings, their EVERYTHING. NOT just their line-up. Once that process was complete, they considered themselves a band. And that was in 1967. John Densmore, Jim Morrison's parents, Ray Manzarek, and Robby Krieger all see 1967 as the anniversary of the Doors. YOU may disagree. And that is fine! You can celebrate The Doors any way you see fit, at any time, and if you wish to celebrate in 2005, or 2006, or whnever, have at it! Enjoy! Celebrate! No one is "taking away" anyone's pleasure, or celebration. WE are gonna celebrate in 2007, but for anyone to say WE are removing THEIR "right" to a 40th anniversary is ludicrous, maudlin and a bit overdramatic, dontcha think? We're not removing ANYTHING! We're gonna have an AWESOME time celebrating! You are invited to celebrate WITH us, or, celebrate whenever you want - The Doors see their anniversary as '07. Now, can we move on to more important topics than whether one should party NOW or wait 18 months?? Any way you like, there's a party comin'! messageboard.thedoors.com/index.php?showtopic=25231&st=15 |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jul 12, 2005 9:19:39 GMT
Yeah Ray always has a problem with dates he gets the CBC TV show mixed up with one of the Canadian gigs on the Soundstage DVD I do believe. (but that may have been Robby and if so I apologise Ray)
AS I say if September 2nd is a solid date for the demo then July is more likely for the meeting...then Densmore rehearses with Ray, Jim and the Manczarek brothers finds he likes the original Morrison stuff and joins the band in time to do the demo two weeks later.
By this time Rick & The Ravens are long dead and The Doors are nearly complete. The Manczareks decide to split and John brings Robby along at the end of September. So July the band was conceived with the name and the concept and by September The Doors were a four piece. Makes no odds which way you look at it 1965 is the Doors 40th. I have always gone along with the meeting on the beach as the birth of The Doors but it can be fairly argued that August or September are more likely dates as John and Robby came along. It cannot be argued that the demo was NOT The Doors first recording as The Doors themselves sold the argument for that in the Box Set!
So the first Doors recording was September 1965.
That is a FACT!
The 1967 'anniversary' is simply a marketing opportunity......it gives them time to prepare a campaign and get a new set of Best Ofs and remaster the first 6 albums ready to flog them again....it has NOTHING at all to do with Doors history simply a way to make money out of the back catalogue.
These people are a bunch of shabby liars and grubby little ad men....and if John Densmore is going along with this then he is as shabby as the rest and will be told so by me as soon as his new message forum is up and running with his site.......
The Doors can have thier ad campaign in 2007 but all i argue is they should recognise thier history and acknowledge they are 40 years old either in July , August or September it does not matter....but 1965 to 2005 is 40 years of the Doors NOT 1967 to 2007......sell the back catalogue by all means but do NOT LIE about the history of this great band......
"1965, 6, 7, 8, 9, 1970 there was a group called the Doors and The Doors tried to get out as far out as they could and take the audience with them"
Ray Manzarek sitting on Venice beach at the start of The Doors: NOHGOA The Doors Tribute To Jim Morrison Video/DVD 1981
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Post by stuart on Jul 12, 2005 9:31:17 GMT
Im not usually speechless but on this occasion iam, how they can try to say 2007 is the 40th anniversary is beyond me well and truly, what a joke. Good quote from alex from ray on the NOHGOA dvd/vid, dont hear jampol saying anything about that.
Surprise,Surprise.............
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jul 12, 2005 10:43:12 GMT
Maybe someone who is not banned or moderated should put that quote on one of the 40 year threads there on the LL and see what they say to THAT!?
"1965, 6, 7, 8, 9, 1970 there was a group called the Doors and The Doors tried to get out as far out as they could and take the audience with them"
Ray Manzarek sitting on Venice beach at the start of The Doors: NOHGOA The Doors Tribute To Jim Morrison Video/DVD 1981
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Post by jimbo on Jul 12, 2005 15:23:24 GMT
Maybe someone who is not banned or moderated should put that quote on one of the 40 year threads there on the LL and see what they say to THAT!? "1965, 6, 7, 8, 9, 1970 there was a group called the Doors and The Doors tried to get out as far out as they could and take the audience with them"Ray Manzarek sitting on Venice beach at the start of The Doors: NOHGOA The Doors Tribute To Jim Morrison Video/DVD 1981 It's there Alex, not by me, but it's there |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jul 12, 2005 16:12:11 GMT
Maybe someone who is not banned or moderated should put that quote on one of the 40 year threads there on the LL and see what they say to THAT!? "1965, 6, 7, 8, 9, 1970 there was a group called the Doors and The Doors tried to get out as far out as they could and take the audience with them"Ray Manzarek sitting on Venice beach at the start of The Doors: NOHGOA The Doors Tribute To Jim Morrison Video/DVD 1981 It's there Alex, not by me, but it's there Yeah saw that ...good old Jochen! Laughed at the truly pitiful response from Ray's webmaster as his boss is shown up on the board once again as a liar and an idiot! He would lock the thread but its hard for the poor lamb as Leon Barnard is coming out in favour of the 40th in 2005 and he won't want to upset anyone with a link to The Doors as it might fuck up his chances of getting that elusive rare Doors tape he's after...... It's hard work being such an asskisser to so many so he has my sympathies ............  Sara Darkstar has been saying for years that Manzareks words will one day come back to haunt him and bite him on the arce.........here is a good example as 25 years later they prove what a sleazy liar the guy is and how he will say anything to make a buck! "1965, 6, 7, 8, 9, 1970 there was a group called the Doors and The Doors tried to get out as far out as they could and take the audience with them"Ray Manzarek sitting on Venice beach at the start of The Doors: NOHGOA The Doors Tribute To Jim Morrison Video/DVD 1981 |
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Post by jochen on Jul 12, 2005 19:17:39 GMT
I really think it is a pity that they ignored the anniversary... The replies over on LL are ridiculous, even if you wouldn't know that FF is Rays webmaster, you would have thought that he somehow agrees with everything that comes as an "official statement" from the management. It's cool that Leon (and some others, too) agrees with me cos as you said Alex, they won't remove the thread when Leon is in favor of the anniversary... It would be interesting to post Sara's quotations from the Pitts interview...if you don't mind me doing it...  |
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Post by othercircles on Jul 12, 2005 20:32:05 GMT
Ah ok then. To me the doors were born when Robby joined.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jul 12, 2005 20:40:42 GMT
I really think it is a pity that they ignored the anniversary... The replies over on LL are ridiculous, even if you wouldn't know that FF is Rays webmaster, you would have thought that he somehow agrees with everything that comes as an "official statement" from the management. It's cool that Leon (and some others, too) agrees with me cos as you said Alex, they won't remove the thread when Leon is in favor of the anniversary... It would be interesting to post Sara's quotations from the Pitts interview...if you don't mind me doing it... Post anything you want mate...if it keeps the thread in the public eye it will perhaps force them to actually admit the truth instead of keep coming out with thier pathetic bullshit.......you have to forgive Rays webmaster as he has sold his soul for the possible promise of a rare tape or two so he has to crawl up the ass of scum like Jamjar and lick Ray's ass clean once a day its not his fault he's just a greedy hoarder. Jamjar is the worst for me as this lying tosspot just swans along and starts telling us what is and what is not the history of this great band. The fans just go by what they are told not many of them get to hear the truth just the official line ....its sad but maybe one day the Official Site will be run by Doors fans not T Shirt sellers....   "1965, 6, 7, 8, 9, 1970 there was a group called the Doors and The Doors tried to get out as far out as they could and take the audience with them"Ray Manzarek sitting on Venice beach at the start of The Doors: NOHGOA The Doors Tribute To Jim Morrison Video/DVD 1981 |
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Post by ensenada on Jul 12, 2005 20:51:07 GMT
on another board, someone recently said that bands see their anniversaries as when their debut album comes out...WTF!? first on me.... we are al aware that the band formed in 1965..when exactly probably isnt quite known. but non the less they were formed then. us decent non-ass lickin fans appreciate this and us decent fans also realise that the powers that be up at doors management are blatantly fooling with history to suit themselves and not the band. Rays integrity s left in question here since he is one of the first dudes who claimed the doors formed in 1965...he never stopped banging on about this point, and now they wanna make a few quick bucks in 2007 has completely shut the fuck up! |
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Post by stuart on Jul 13, 2005 10:59:23 GMT
Perhaps Mr Jampol should read pages 52 AND 66 of John's Book.........
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Post by stuart on Jul 13, 2005 17:45:06 GMT
I was reading that thread on the LL that jochen posted on and did you see(well it seemed to me) apart from the"official Viewpoint" how Evasive and meek jampol and Dutkowski were! putting that ray quote from the NOHGOA Dvd/Vid on there jochen was class,
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jul 13, 2005 17:49:01 GMT
I was reading that thread on the LL that jochen posted on and did you see(well it seemed to me) apart from the"official Viewpoint" how Evasive and meek jampol and Dutkowski were! putting that ray quote from the NOHGOA Dvd/Vid on there jochen was class, What exactly can they say....the Organ Grinder has nailed thier argument as bullshit so the two monkeys are pretty well screwed! |
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Post by stuart on Jul 13, 2005 17:54:36 GMT
"Words got me the wound and will get me well". that SO SUITS ray now in this!!.
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Post by ensenada on Jul 20, 2005 16:54:07 GMT
i have noticed that jeff really tries hard to puzzle people with big words... |
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Post by jym on Jul 20, 2005 17:22:46 GMT
Like LARGE or H-U-G-E, or even the modalities of this internecine strife are quite insidious to the capacious observer. |
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Post by ensenada on Jul 20, 2005 17:39:52 GMT
yes |
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