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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Feb 6, 2005 15:20:31 GMT
Riders On The Storm was released in June 1971 just before Jim Morrison died in Paris. It was supposedly the final song recorded for the album LA Woman and therefore the last Doors song with Jim Morrison. Morrison had quit The Doors and was considering relocating himself to Europe. He hoped to pursue film, poetry and possibly music and had already made several European contacts to help him achieve this.
US 1971
US Promo 1971
On July 10th 1971 Billboard magazine picked ROTS as among the singles predicted to show the strongest gain in Billboards Hot 100 Chart. News of Morrison's death had just filtered through and obviously ROTS would gain a lot more interest.
US Chart #14 Canada Chart #7
Riders On The Storm lyrics and music discussion
LHM, Tightrope Ride & ROTS 40 years on.......
US 1971
Released in the UK on 20th August 1971 as a shortened version single and tribute to their dead singer. It reached #22 in the UK chart. It broke into the Dutch and Canadian Top#10s but did not do that well elsewhere including the home chart where it struggled to #14.The last song Morrison ever recorded and the last song on the last 'Doors' album 'Riders On The Storm' has become a cipher for the conspiracy nuts as Jim sets out the way he was planning to dissapear from the world he had created and subsequently trapped himself inside. Caught in a prison of his own device.
Fashioned in part from a screenplay he wrote called The Hitchhiker (An American Pastoral) and a poem from US writer Hart Crane (where the phrase 'riders of the storm' came from) it is said that ROTS evolved out of a jam session when the band was messing around with "Ghost Riders In The Sky," a cowboy song by Stan Jones. (big fave of mine when I was little....now would it NOT be something if that jam survived in someones desk or basement.... )
Musically hypnotic due to Ray Manzareks mesmeric piano playing backed up by John Densmores rythmicly soothing drum work and Robby Kriegers sparse but chillingly effective guitar playing Riders is one of the most beloved of Doors tunes and was released here in the UK as a fitting tribute to the fallen star reaching the #25 spot.
One of the Doors most beautiful and mysterious songs it takes more than one listen to really appreciate the quiet menace that pervade the simple meagre lyric. Whispers and double tracking along with the unsettling addition of a rainstorm track make this song one of the legends of rock music history.
During the LA Woman sessions Botnick and Densmore had the idea of adding Jim's whispered vocals whilst Jerry Scheff came up with the distinctive bass line after Manzarek played him what he had in mind on his keyboard. It took a while to figure out, since it was much harder to play on a bass than a keyboard. The song lingers long after the track finishes and can be thought of as the most bewildering track in Doors history as it started so much of the myth we see woven around the history of The Doors and many of us have subscribed to theories and rumours that stem from this wonderful piece of Doors magic. So what if anything do you guys think about Riders On the Storm?Canada 1971 Riders on the storm Riders on the storm Into this house we're born Into this world we're thrown Like a dog without a bone An actor out alone Riders on the storm
There's a killer on the road His brain is squirmin' like a toad Take a long holiday Let your children play If ya give this man a ride Sweet family will die Killer on the road, yeah
Girl you gotta love your man Girl you gotta love your man Take him by the hand Make him understand The world on you depends Our life will never end Gotta love your man, yeah
Wow!
Riders on the storm Riders on the storm Into this house we're born Into this world we're thrown Like a dog without a bone An actor out alone Riders on the storm
Riders on the storm Riders on the storm
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Post by ensenada on Feb 8, 2005 17:47:43 GMT
i think the lyrics are great, like delving into the mind of a serial killer on the road. i have always loved ROTS. the first lyrics (dont know tech term) Riders on the storm Riders on the storm Into this house we're born Into this world we're thrown Like a dog without a bone An actor out alone Riders on the storm I think it sort of describes how we as people have no choice of being born. we are thrown into a harsh world were we are forced to make something of ourselves that can be respected and if not, then we are ridiculed by society...like a dog without a bone, we become easily lost in this strange, mean and sometimes wonderful world. shame its controlled by humans all i can say! fuck me that was heavy!
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Feb 8, 2005 18:05:15 GMT
Very cool analogy dude they must have some shit hot weed at this new school you are teaching at....
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Post by ensenada on Feb 8, 2005 18:20:19 GMT
think the lack of sleep is doing strange things to my head!
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Feb 10, 2005 18:54:19 GMT
Jim's handwritten lyrics to 'Riders'. There is an interesting rumour going around in tape trader circles that 'Away In India' was actually incorporated into ROTS during the LA Woman session. This apparently can be heard on the Snoop Dog version. I have listened to it a lot lately and its pretty inconclusive as the snippet of 'Away In India' could be either live or studio? There is however a fascinating bit at the end where Jim says 'well lets ride...wow!' at the end of the Snoop version so there are probably bits that never made it to the album. Who knows the truth of this? The band obviously! It would be one hell of surprise if this all surfaces during the next round of rip off releases when Doors PLC re-re-re-release the first six albums next year. 'Away In India' as part of 'Riders'...cool!
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Post by wyldlizardqueen on Feb 10, 2005 22:45:29 GMT
;DThanks for posting,!! one of my favs..by the DOORS:)!
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Post by ensenada on Feb 12, 2005 23:26:52 GMT
well thats interesting about the away in india. it is on the snoop cover. where else have i heard this? i think it is somewhere in one of the box sets, but i dont no which one or which song its on. as for the "lets ride! i have heard them somewhere else aswell but cant put my finger on where!
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Feb 12, 2005 23:57:11 GMT
Away In India is common during the 70s as part of the rather tedious Black Train Song/People Get Ready jam The Doors did in concert so often.
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Post by ensenada on Feb 13, 2005 0:21:36 GMT
Away In India is common during the 70s as part of the rather tedious Black Train Song/People Get Ready jam The Doors did in concert so often. thats where ive heard that monkey before!
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Post by danceonfire on Feb 25, 2005 17:51:13 GMT
Riders on the Storm is by far my number one favorite song by The Doors. I love the rain and thunder effect and the lyrics. Great song!
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Post by stuart on May 18, 2006 11:59:16 GMT
Alex,What do you think will happen with this live version of ROTS from N.O 70 ? is it meant to be any different from the studio version? didnt densmore say in his book that it got a good response.
I would love to hear the live version.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 18, 2006 12:25:50 GMT
I doubt we will ever hear it even if it exists which it may or may not do....it's hard to seperate the bullshit from the bigger bullshit on the issue of a live ROTS. Densmore says in the 1981 Creem Special they played it during the Texas gig but that the next night the New Orleans show was horrendous. So then to say ROTS went down well in NO contradicts 1981. Nobody from the Doors has EVER come out and said ...yes we without doubt played ROTS live at Texas/New Orleans in 1970......to be honest i am past the stage now where if any of these people told me my own name I would have to check my birth certificate......
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Post by jym on May 18, 2006 15:07:26 GMT
Riders is kind of another take on The End, from the killers point of view, into this world we're born/into this house we're thrown then we have: give this man a ride/sweet family will die-that's the oedipal section, but here comes the new part the solution to this existential angst; girl you gotta love your man/take him by the hand/make him understand-love is the answer. Alex-those Japanese albums you been posting look pretty cool, I think cooler than the American. Also the German one with the snakeskin is cool. Thanks!
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Post by stuart on May 18, 2006 15:29:25 GMT
"here comes the new part the solution to this existential angst; girl you gotta love your man/take him by the hand/make him understand-love is the answer." Yo Jym, That's Pretty Good that, i had never thought of that part of the song in that way Nice One .
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 18, 2006 15:51:22 GMT
Alex-those Japanese albums you been posting look pretty cool, I think cooler than the American. Also the German one with the snakeskin is cool. Thanks! I just think its interesting to have all this info on one place rather than have to go trawling the net for it....been checking out a lot of collectors stuff and will post any I find here!
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Post by sparky on May 18, 2006 16:22:25 GMT
i find it ironic that riders on the storm was the doors last song recorded, as it was the first song that i had ever heard of the doors. i never get tired of hearing it. i think it is one of the greatest songs ever recorded and written.
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Post by jym on May 18, 2006 19:54:07 GMT
"here comes the new part the solution to this existential angst; girl you gotta love your man/take him by the hand/make him understand-love is the answer." Yo Jym, That's Pretty Good that, i had never thought of that part of the song in that way Nice One . I think it shows the growth of Jim in that short span of time. The End is a fairly straightforward telling of the Oedipal tale, where Jim clearly see's the existential questions & can put forth something to give voice to those questions. And by the time of Riders he of course still knows and is aware of the question but he can now offer a solution to the question. I think L.A. Woman the album was very much of a closing of a circle for Jim, Riders is sort of reiteration of The End, L'America, I think can be read as the autobiography of The Doors at least from Jim's perspective, & I think you can even hear echoes of lyrics from Light My Fire in the lyrics of the song L.A. Woman. "you know that it would be untrue/you know I would be liar/if I were to say to you/girl, we couldn't get much higher" and in L.A. Woman "if they say I never loved you/know they are a liar" even the phrasing sounds the same.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 29, 2006 11:03:36 GMT
Classic Tracks: The Doors' "Riders on the Storm"
It's been more than 10 years since we first tackled a Doors song (“The End”) in “Classic Tracks” (February 1995), so it's high time we looked at another. Though it was only about five years between the recording of “The End” from The Doors' eponymous first album and “Riders on the Storm” from their final studio album, L.A. Woman, it felt at the time as though the band had been around forever.
The arc of The Doors' career was extreme. They went from being a popular L.A. club band — part of the new mid-'60s underground — in '66 and the first part of '67 to national superstars once their first album hit the airwaves and “Light My Fire” swept across the land. Their first three albums were massively popular (and also really good), and it wasn't long before they moved from clubs and small auditoriums to giant sports arenas. Jim Morrison did not handle his rapid ascent well — as has been chronicled in many a lurid article and book, he degenerated into a sloppy, at times belligerent drunk and drug abuser, who had no compunction about showing up onstage completely wasted, unable to perform well.
The low point came in Miami in March 1969, when, in a drunken stupor, he allegedly exposed himself onstage, leading to his arrest for “lewd and lascivious behavior,” triggering a fall from grace as rapid as his rise had been. The Doors were banned in many cities, and Morrison spent much of the next year embroiled in ugly, time-consuming legal proceedings, trying desperately to stay out of jail. The group's “comeback” in 1970, with the Morrison Hotel album and a scaled-back tour of smaller venues, seemed to be successful on most levels, and helped erase the taint of Miami somewhat, but the fact is, Morrison was physically spent and mentally exhausted by the time the group assembled to record L.A. Woman.
At first, it looked as though the band would record their new album much as they had previously, with Paul Rothchild in the producer's chair, Bruce Botnick engineering and working at Sunset Sound (Hollywood). But the wheels came off almost before the train left the station. Tensions with Rothchild had been building for some time, and the producer was in no mood to record a band who clearly did not have their songs together or a lead singer who was reliable enough to cut tracks.
Rothchild told me in 1981, “Basically, things had been sliding since Miami. Jim was really not interested after about the third album. He wanted to do other things. He wanted to write. Wanted to be an actor. Being lead singer of The Doors was really not his idea of a good time. It became very difficult to get him involved with the records.
“Let's put my career in perspective. I had close to 100 LPs under my belt,” he continues. “I had just finished making one of the greatest albums of my career, a labor of total love by the most loving and dedicated musicians I'd ever worked with. I'm talking about Janis Joplin's Pearl album. That music was full of heart, the way it's supposed to be in the studio. You get 110 percent from everyone in the band and 150 percent from Janis.
“[With L.A. Woman,] I went into rehearsals with The Doors for about a month. They were set up in the basement of their offices on Santa Monica Boulevard, but it was a joke! They'd come straggling in. Jim wouldn't even show up half the time. There was no enthusiasm at all. They were all drugged on their own boredom. Just totally bummed out. Ray [Manzarek, keyboardist] would try to get things together. He has this great enthusiasm! I love that man! John [Densmore, drummer] was really angry about Jim's attitude, and Robby [Krieger, guitarist] sort of laughed at it, and said, ‘That's Jim!’
“It wasn't just Jim, though. They'd all been lazy. They only had four or five songs that were defined enough to play as songs at that point. The most complete were ‘L.A. Woman’ and ‘Riders on the Storm,’ both of which I thought were great, great songs. My problem was I couldn't get them to play either of them decently. It was like watching an 80-year-old man trying to run the marathon. There was nothing there. We rehearsed and rehearsed, but it didn't get any better. Finally, I said, ‘Let's go into the studio. We've got to make a record sometime.’ I figured I'd be able to do it like the last few — patch together the best stuff. Ray would be a great cheerleader and we'd finally get this thing going.
“Well, we went into the studio and it was dreadful. I worked my ass off for a week, but it was still awful. I finally turned to Bruce Botnick, and said, ‘I know another producer would stick with this because it's a quarter-million dollars for the producer, but I can't do this.’”
Botnick picks up the story: “Basically what happened is Paul was tired, the group was tired, and he recognized that and said, ‘I can't do this anymore,’ and he told me, ‘I think you can do it.’ We all went out to dinner and he laid it on the line, and he went home feeling like when you get out of school and have the whole summer ahead of you; that's how happy he felt.”
Rothchild wasn't the only one who felt liberated: “When Paul removed himself, we felt the same as he did — we were out of school; we were free,” Botnick remembers. “The guys said to me, ‘What do you think we can do here?’ And I said, ‘You guys like your rehearsal room?’ ‘Yeah, we love it there!’ ‘Great, I'm going to get some gear and I'll set it up in [manager] Bill Siddons’ office, which is upstairs, and run mic cables downstairs and we'll record there; forget going into a regular studio every day.' Well, they liked that idea a lot and three or four days later we did just that. I got a bunch of gear from Elektra Studios across the street — a [custom] console and a Scully 8-track. We kept it simple. I had the gear upstairs; the band was downstairs in their rehearsal room. The idea was there weren't any rules. The idea was to play well and capture it on tape and see what happened. They had earphones, I had speakers. Jim was set up in the bathroom because it was so crammed. He stood in the doorway and sang the whole album, using the same mic he used on tour, which I think was an Electro-Voice.”
Free of their producer's intense perfectionism and verbal harangues — he had complained bitterly that their attempts at “Riders on the Storm” sounded like bad cocktail jazz — the group relaxed enough in their new recording environment to lay down the basic tracks for the entire record very quickly. “The album took us five or six days to record, like the first ones,” Botnick says. “They were ready; they felt free, so they were just having fun.” Rhythm guitarist Marc Benno and Elvis Presley's bassist, Jerry Scheff, were brought in to augment the band's three-piece sound, and Manzarek, in particular, went out of his way to work up some new keyboard textures, as shown by the spacey Rhodes piano line that glistens throughout “Riders on the Storm.”
Botnick says of the song's origins, “I believe it was one of Jim's poems, and Jim had also come up with the melody as he had on all of his songs. With him it usually wasn't lyrics and then a melody; it all came at once. When he wrote the initial batch of 24 songs [well before The Doors recorded their first album], he sat on the beach with Ray and sang them to him. He wasn't a musician; he just had them in his head. And ‘Riders on the Storm’ came together like that, too, but then, of course, the guys took it from there and heard an arrangement to go with it, and it became quite jazzy as the guys liked to do. The Doors always had one foot in the jazz world and one in the blues world; one in the classical world and another in rock 'n' roll. They were all over the place.
“When we first recorded ‘Riders on the Storm,’ it was a nice, light song. But when we got into mixing it [at Poppy Studios on a Quad Eight board] is when it all came together. I was a nut for sound effects, and I said, ‘I want to try something.’ Elektra Records [The Doors' label] had a bunch of sound effects discs, including one with rain and thunder. I took it off a disc and put it on a stereo tape. Then I just ran the tape in the background while I was mixing because we were already maxed out on tracks. When the [effects] tape ran out, I would just back up the tape somewhere and hit Play again, and then go into record on the stereo [mixdown], and by serendipity, the thunder came where they did; nothing was planned.
“Later on [many years later] when I went to do the surround album [version], that became a complication because I didn't have the rain and thunder printed [on tracks of the original 8-track master], so I had to re-create it. I had the original stereo tape, but I wound up making surround rain and then physically cutting the thunder. I knew where they were supposed to go on the track, but I needed them to do special things in surround.”
Another brilliant finishing touch on the song has been claimed by both Botnick and Densmore, “so we take credit for it together now,” Botnick says with a laugh. This was doubling Morrison's sung lead vocal with a spoken-whisper track underneath, done at Poppy during the mix sessions. “It adds this mystery to the song,” Botnick says, “and then you put the rain and the thunder with it, and all of a sudden, this ‘cocktail jazz’ song became something else altogether.”
Botnick says the mix only took about four days. “One strange thing that happened while we were mixing at Poppy, which is now Signet Sound, is there was a big, big earthquake in L.A. [the so-called San Fernando earthquake of February 9, 1971]. The control room glass at Poppy was floor to ceiling, so you'd look straight out to the studio as there wasn't even a wall there. It was spectacular, but unfortunately, with every earthquake aftershock, you had this glass wall that was 10 feet high and 30 feet long moving and swaying; it was really spooky. We'd have to leave the building between mixes.”
Once the album was completed, “Jim left for Paris, and said, ‘I'll see ya!’” Botnick says. Morrison went to Paris to chill out and write poetry — get back to his literary roots somewhat in the land of his idols, such as Rimbaud and Verlaine. L.A. Woman was released in April 1971 and was an immediate hit. “Love Her Madly” was the hit single, but FM radio jumped all over the title cut and “Riders on the Storm.” But Morrison never came home. He died on July 3, 1971, in a Paris apartment under still mysterious circumstances, most likely heart failure brought on by the ingestion of various drugs mixed with alcohol. Coincidentally, the single version of “Riders on the Storm” entered the charts that very day and eventually made it to Number 14 on the pop charts.
Not surprisingly, Morrison's death led to a huge upsurge in interest in The Doors and it hasn't really dimmed much since. “Riders on the Storm” remains a staple of classic rock radio. It was the title of Densmore's 1991 autobiography and, ironically, the name of the current touring band that features Manzarek, Kreiger and former Cult lead singer Ian Astbury…after Densmore successfully sued them over the use of the name “Doors of the 21st Century.”
Asked if he's surprised by the continuing endurance of “Riders on the Storm,” Botnick says, “By now, I've given up being surprised by The Doors' success. I'm seeing 12-year-olds into The Doors. Their parents liked them. Some of their parents were into them, too. There's obviously a message there — that Jim is able to transcend the generations. I find it kind of flattering, too. It was pretty obvious at the time that what we were doing was pretty special.”
from MIX Magazine By Blair Jackson Feb 1, 2006
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jul 17, 2006 9:26:40 GMT
It was a strange quirk of fate but The Doors final single with Jim, Riders On The Storm entered the US charts at #74 on July 3rd 1971...a day Jim Morrison never lived to see.
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Post by strangenightvstone on Jul 19, 2006 22:11:19 GMT
Riders on The Storm ended the year at 99 on the top 100 Billboard chart for 1971. Led Zeppelin 4 was released in 1971 and they chose not to release Stairway to Heaven as a single, which would have possibly taken the number one spot, that might have knocked Riders off the top 100.
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