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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jul 19, 2006 15:41:38 GMT
1rst of all, Densmore is not integral to the Doors and never was. I think that they could do a good job finding someone who looks and sings like Morrison. Just to cover songs. I dont understand french or whatever language that it. Not sure if they get paid with movies, but it isnt really selling out. When you watch a commercial with say a Who song playing, the next time you hear that song, say on the radio, you think of the commercial. Its different with movies. I am not gonna get into any pointless arguments about who is a better Door than who but if you believe as a Doors fan that The Doors were a unique band unlike any other then every member of that band was integral to it and no member of that band could ever be replaced.......on the other hand if you believe as a Doors fan that the band was just another group then obviously members can be dispensed with and replaced by anyone at all....it boils down to what you perceive The Doors to have been worth back in the 60s and 70s........ I have done this argument to death with dork fans who are generally rather dim types and cannot really articulate a decent argument but my view is simple....The Doors were unique .....of all the bands I have loved in the last 40 years or more The Doors are alone as THE most unique band on the planet.......I go along with this argument which is the best one I have ever seen from anyone.............. “See, here is the way it worked with The Doors. There are four guys in the band; each person is as essential as anybody else in the band. The drums are as important as the words. The words are as important as the guitar. The guitar is as important as the keyboard bass guy. Each thing contributed its 25 percent……We each had our area of expertise. That was one quarter of the pie. You remove any one of those quarters and you don’t have anything.” Ray Manzarek from Myth & Reality 1996 |
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Post by cobriaclord on Jul 19, 2006 17:18:20 GMT
I disagree, the Doors were unique becaue of
Morrison's lyrics
Manzarek's organ laying
Kreiger's slide guitar
Anyone could have filled in for Desmore
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jul 19, 2006 17:25:28 GMT
Well I can name several organ players that could have done what Ray did in the 60s and there were even guitar players who could have filled in for Robby from that period but lets face it if you think this then there is nobody gonna alter your opinion............me I'm with Ray! I don't think one single member was more crucial to the Doors than any other ....even Morrison. It's not what I thought when I began to get into The Doors in a big way back in the early 70s but it's what nigh on 40 years listening to them has finally concluded..........  4 unique guys......all irreplacable..... |
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Post by cobriaclord on Jul 19, 2006 17:27:20 GMT
Nope, the Doors died after Morrison died.
The Doors would still have gone strong w/o Densmore.
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Post by strangenightvstone on Jul 19, 2006 21:47:03 GMT
Densmore and Morrison are the two important ones. They are the smartest, and most essential. You need to understand that those two could produce a better record than Manzarek and Krieger could. Watch how Ray's music will fail with ROTS, Ray ruined his chances of ever playing with Densmore again. You need drums and singing, you do not need a slide guitar and organ for a great record.
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Post by thebadcowboy on Jul 20, 2006 9:19:46 GMT
1rst of all, Densmore is not integral to the Doors and never was. I think that they could do a good job finding someone who looks and sings like Morrison. Just to cover songs. I dont understand french or whatever language that it. Not sure if they get paid with movies, but it isnt really selling out. When you watch a commercial with say a Who song playing, the next time you hear that song, say on the radio, you think of the commercial. Its different with movies. densemore not integral to the doors.......! thats nonsense, densemore was part of the creative process just like the rest of them... why bother getting someone who looks and sings like morrison....... morrison is dead......!! who defines the difference between "selling out" and "really selling out" |
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Post by thebadcowboy on Jul 20, 2006 9:23:23 GMT
Anyone could have filled in for Desmore in morrisons own words...................... think you're an aristocrat........... that's crap |
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Post by cobriaclord on Jul 20, 2006 21:30:04 GMT
I believe that was directed towards a dead cat  |
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Post by cobriaclord on Jul 20, 2006 21:32:23 GMT
densemore not integral to the doors.......! thats nonsense, densemore was part of the creative process just like the rest of them... why bother getting someone who looks and sings like morrison....... morrison is dead......!! who defines the difference between "selling out" and "really selling out" 1) I dont see any songs credited to Densmore, i dont think he wrote any of the music (except for drums sections) 2) I would liketo go to a Doors concert even if there is a fake morrison singing 3) God defines selling out and really selling out. Peace |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jul 20, 2006 21:36:49 GMT
Can't recall any songs credited to Manzarek either during the 1965 to July 1971 period........John played his part in Doors music the same as the others.
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Post by thebadcowboy on Jul 20, 2006 22:13:06 GMT
the drums section is part of the music..... most of the songs are credited to the doors of which john was a part of........ so in theory if god defines what is and what is not selling out, when did he tell you that it was ok to sell your music to a movie producer but not to an advertising exec........? and uhhhhh.... what does god think of using a "fake morrison" to sell doors music.....? while youre at it and you got god on the telefone, could you ask him if floyd landis is gonna win the tour de france.......!!!!!! one more thing.... do you know anything about chemistry.......................!! densemore not integral to the doors.......! thats nonsense, densemore was part of the creative process just like the rest of them... why bother getting someone who looks and sings like morrison....... morrison is dead......!! who defines the difference between "selling out" and "really selling out" 1) I dont see any songs credited to Densmore, i dont think he wrote any of the music (except for drums sections) 2) I would liketo go to a Doors concert even if there is a fake morrison singing 3) God defines selling out and really selling out. Peace |
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Post by cobriaclord on Jul 20, 2006 22:35:49 GMT
the drums section is part of the music..... most of the songs are credited to the doors of which john was a part of........ so in theory if god defines what is and what is not selling out, when did he tell you that it was ok to sell your music to a movie producer but not to an advertising exec........? and uhhhhh.... what does god think of using a "fake morrison" to sell doors music.....? while youre at it and you got god on the telefone, could you ask him if floyd landis is gonna win the tour de france.......!!!!!! one more thing.... do you know anything about chemistry.......................!! Peace 1) I hate the drums, i wish they werent even in the song 2) He says it in the Holy Bible, silly 3) He is cool with it 4) He says the guy with balls cancer is gonna win 5) Actually I got an A- in Chemistry, so i know a fair bit. What does that ve to do with the Doors :wink: |
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Post by thebadcowboy on Jul 21, 2006 9:39:13 GMT
hate is a very strong word to use.... i guess you aint using it literally, especially since you are directing it towards a bunch of non offensive percussion instruments.....!!!! god didnt write the bible......!!! silly "the guy with the balls cancer" ...... thats a pretty childish and callous remark dont you think.....!!! and lance armstrong aint riding the tour de france..... obviously YOUR god is quite misinformed about a lot of things...... maybe it is time to start questioning your faith....! ok as a quasi chemistry expert think about this....... you take a test tube and put 4 chemical elements into it the elements bond together and form a compound if take away any single one of the elements you get a completely different compound.........!!! understand...? john,ray,robby and jim are the elements...... together they form the compound...... i.e. the doors take away one of these elements and what happens.......? you dont get the doors............ without any one of the individual members the music would have evolved differently.... the process would have been different.... surely your expertise in the field of chemistry should allow you to grasp that........ maybe the music would have been better, maybe worse.... who knows (maybe god)..... but it would definitely not have been the same music that we know today............. take away one of them the drums section is part of the music..... most of the songs are credited to the doors of which john was a part of........ so in theory if god defines what is and what is not selling out, when did he tell you that it was ok to sell your music to a movie producer but not to an advertising exec........? and uhhhhh.... what does god think of using a "fake morrison" to sell doors music.....? while youre at it and you got god on the telefone, could you ask him if floyd landis is gonna win the tour de france.......!!!!!! one more thing.... do you know anything about chemistry.......................!! Peace 1) I hate the drums, i wish they werent even in the song 2) He says it in the Holy Bible, silly 3) He is cool with it 4) He says the guy with balls cancer is gonna win 5) Actually I got an A- in Chemistry, so i know a fair bit. What does that ve to do with the Doors :wink: |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jul 21, 2006 9:42:44 GMT
ok as a quasi chemistry expert think about this....... you take a test tube and put 4 chemical elements into it the elements bond together and form a compound if take away any single one of the elements you get a completely different compound.........!!! understand...? john,ray,robby and jim are the elements...... together they form the compound...... i.e. the doors take away one of these elements and what happens.......? you dont get the doors............ without any one of the individual members the music would have evolved differently.... the process would have been different.... surely your expertise in the field of chemistry should allow you to grasp that........ maybe the music would have been better, maybe worse.... who knows (maybe god)..... but it would definitely not have been the same music that we know today............. Nice analogy BC........... |
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Post by stuart on Jul 21, 2006 11:31:04 GMT
hate is a very strong word to use.... i guess you aint using it literally, especially since you are directing it towards a bunch of non offensive percussion instruments.....!!!! god didnt write the bible......!!! silly "the guy with the balls cancer" ...... thats a pretty childish and callous remark dont you think.....!!! and lance armstrong aint riding the tour de france..... obviously YOUR god is quite misinformed about a lot of things...... maybe it is time to start questioning your faith....! ok as a quasi chemistry expert think about this....... you take a test tube and put 4 chemical elements into it the elements bond together and form a compound if take away any single one of the elements you get a completely different compound.........!!! understand...? john,ray,robby and jim are the elements...... together they form the compound...... i.e. the doors take away one of these elements and what happens.......? you dont get the doors............ without any one of the individual members the music would have evolved differently.... the process would have been different.... surely your expertise in the field of chemistry should allow you to grasp that........ maybe the music would have been better, maybe worse.... who knows (maybe god)..... but it would definitely not have been the same music that we know today............. take away one of them 1) I hate the drums, i wish they werent even in the song 2) He says it in the Holy Bible, silly 3) He is cool with it 4) He says the guy with balls cancer is gonna win 5) Actually I got an A- in Chemistry, so i know a fair bit. What does that ve to do with the Doors :wink: Well Said Cowboy Mate  |
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Post by cobriaclord on Jul 21, 2006 14:06:54 GMT
ok as a quasi chemistry expert think about this....... you take a test tube and put 4 chemical elements into it the elements bond together and form a compound if take away any single one of the elements you get a completely different compound.........!!! understand...? john,ray,robby and jim are the elements...... together they form the compound...... i.e. the doors take away one of these elements and what happens.......? you dont get the doors............ without any one of the individual members the music would have evolved differently.... the process would have been different.... surely your expertise in the field of chemistry should allow you to grasp that........ maybe the music would have been better, maybe worse.... who knows (maybe god)..... but it would definitely not have been the same music that we know today............. take away one of them Got me there. Nice analogy. Peace |
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Post by cobriaclord on Jul 21, 2006 15:14:27 GMT
Can't recall any songs credited to Manzarek either during the 1965 to July 1971 period........John played his part in Doors music the same as the others. Ray wrote all the baselines and had a major working in all the songs. Peace |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jul 21, 2006 15:34:06 GMT
Can't recall any songs credited to Manzarek either during the 1965 to July 1971 period........John played his part in Doors music the same as the others. Ray wrote all the baselines and had a major working in all the songs. Peace And how do you know John Densmore did not have a similar input into some of the bass sections of Doors songs and did not also have significant working in all the songs. I been interested in this 40 years nearly and I have never seen anything to say that there were any passengers in The Doors as a band..... Your argument comes from a dislike of drums and Densmore..........I don't like Ray and Robby as people but would never argue they were not anything but musical geniuses. Densmore was as much a Door as Ray, Robby and Jim and to argue different shows a lack of understanding of the unique quality of this group.......... allThe song Hyacinth House was worked up at RKs house by Jim, John & Robby......no Ray so when did he appear to write the bass line for that? As Robby & John lived in the same house at one stage it's obvious that those two worked on Robby's songs together and likely Jim's......Same with Jim and Ray when Jim lived with him and Dorothy...... Then when they got together they all pitched in..... |
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Post by cobriaclord on Jul 21, 2006 21:00:08 GMT
I hate the bass on Hyacinth House. Ok, I think i take the side of the argument that i do because i dont like the drums and dont see them as an instrument. Truce |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Aug 4, 2006 19:25:02 GMT
I knew I had it somewhere.......this is the actual BMR web site news item that appeared there in 2002........... The release of Vancouver, Bakersfield, and Pittsburgh on Bright Midnight Records has been postponed due to the plethora of unreleased outtakes and works in progress the band along with Bruce Botnick had discovered in the storage archive.
What was released as the cube in the year 2000, a collection of the six studio albums with all original album artwork restored and sound remastered, plus Essential Rarities, is getting a new make over as a long box. Essential Rarities is being deleted to make room for a disc of bonus material, including the long lost studio version of Celebration of the Lizard.
Each album will be represented with an out take from those particular sessions. Eventually, this disc, with even more never before released material, will be made available exclusively through Bright Midnight Records so those of you who bought cube won't have to purchase the long box to get the bonus tracks. Within six months of its commercial release, the Outtakes album will be made available.
Stay tuned for more details.What a pile of lying shite that turned out to be and that was when BMR was run by a Doors fan.......... Well we can at least look forward to the LL poll when a few dozen people there decide the completely obvious as to what will formulate the 2008 (maybe) Doors out take disc........... These BMA idiots could not run a tap.......... |
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