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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Apr 11, 2005 7:49:47 GMT
The Doors went through four distinct phases in thier career: Acid Indecision The Blues In The Shadows producing eight albums that could be construed as two examples of each. Most ignore the two albums made after Morrisons death even though they had some merits but which is the best album from each of the four periods in Doors history?  AcidIndecisionThe Blues |
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Post by jym on Apr 11, 2005 16:31:09 GMT
You added one Alex!  But still I think a very aptly named period. (that period is named steve..hehehe) ;D |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Apr 11, 2005 16:43:43 GMT
its very apt...they were in the shadows of a dead bloke and a legacy they could never live up to whatever they did because of that dead bloke.......thats why I picked it.....  30 years on and they are STILL there....  |
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Post by jimbo on Apr 13, 2005 0:42:40 GMT
Other Voices, without a doubt
BTW Alex got Golden Scarab in the mail yesterday, definitely puts the two post morrison albums to shame, I love it!
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Apr 13, 2005 8:04:54 GMT
Yeah Ray certainly showed the way after Jim died. He is the only Door with a decent body of work. Solo, Nite City, Carmina Burana.......the only real effort the other two did that was worthy of note was the excellent first Butts Band album. Other Voices is pretty much your standard Doors fare but I give them credit for Full Circle as they attempted to stake out a claim in Return To Forever, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Brand X territory......Jazz fusion with a bit of blues.....it was a brave effort and I think myself that they should have done a couple more albums like FC. If Howard Werth had joined them as was the idea in 1973 the jazzy niche would have suited him perfectly as thats what Audience were. This style was popular in the 70s and The Doors could have possibly found a new direction after Morrison........ I was well in favour when I read that Howard was a 'certainty' to join The Doors in the music papers as I was a huge Audience fan anyway..... They would have (probably already had) lost most of thier Morrison fan base but they would have picked up new fans with another Full Circle jazz foray.....but Ray's heart was not in it and he split..... In hindsight the right decision but in 1973 I was a bit dissapointed even though I thought Full Circle a piss poor Doors album. I appreciate it now for what it is but back then was scathing......music was fine...but lyrics and vocals sucked....Howard could have made a difference but never got the chance......a sad way to end the Doors story but history proved it the right thing to do.... |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Apr 17, 2005 10:50:01 GMT
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Post by othercircles on Aug 17, 2005 22:46:31 GMT
A major reason for it BEING a lagacy is BECAUSE they stopped. If they had kept it going, Morrison wouldnt seem quite as important. But they let albums sales force them to stop which is sickening. Even then they were greedy.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Aug 18, 2005 10:04:30 GMT
Non sales would have been a factor true as it was hard to ignore that nobody was buying the last two albums whilst WSITGM did sell a lot more units but I think there were a number of reasons why they gave up.....
This was one Ray gave...
"We were in England looking for a new singer a bass player a second guitarist whatever.....something to give The Doors new life. But it just got old...it just got boring. We'd been together too long.
Without Jim The Doors just were not the Doors anymore. It wasn't the same band. So we went to England to see if we could change things but we really didn't find anybody. A couple of guys we worked with were good but I thought it was time to put The Doors to bed so I said to John and Robby...'listen you guys lets just pass on this and end it'...so we did!"
Ray Manzarek 1978
“It just wasn’t the same without Jim. I felt that we were just lost man! It was impossible for us to continue as the Doors we should have recorded those albums as Manzarek, Densmore and Krieger it would have made a lot more sense and said hey we used to be the Doors but are not The Doors anymore the Doors are Jim Morrison, John Densmore, Robby Krieger and Ray Manzarek.
That’s the Doors. Take away ANY (his emphasis NOT mine) part and it’s not The Doors anymore and man we lost the number one part the lead singer himself…the word man and it was impossible to continue to be The Doors so after the second album I just said hey man lets put it to bed you guys…lets close the Doors…no sense continuing. We are not The Doors…The Doors are four people The Doors are not three people and we could never replace Jim Morrison and so lets just give up”
Ray Manzarek
Three Hours For Magic Radio Show 1982
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Post by ensenada on Aug 18, 2005 14:32:00 GMT
i think that last statement can be used in the anti dork argument... |
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Post by othercircles on Aug 19, 2005 0:40:54 GMT
Yea and we know Ray has never lied before lol. Funny how they only felt this way after the albums sales did poorly.
So he said that in 1978 huh? So as long as they had tapes of Jim and could pimp out rehashed and remixed recording of new and old material for the next 30 years... THATS ok?
One thing none of you can argue is they sure as hell were closer to being the doors in 1972 then they are now. And they dont seem to have a problem using the name 30 years later. Why? Because it makes them money now. Despite the fact that Jim is gone... the nostalgia created from 30 years elapsed time makes it ok for concert goers.
Ray and Robbie follow a formula something like...
Money = Ok to use the doors name
No money = Pretend integrity.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Aug 24, 2005 10:17:53 GMT
A lot of it stems from the insane sums of money being offered to sell out The Doors. Ray got up to 5 grand a gig for his bookshop and pub gigs Robby got between 2 and 10 for an RKB gig.... They were given $350,000 for two nights work for the 2002 Harley gigs. There have been rumours that both RK and RDM had lost a packet on the markets so maybe that helped their decision to become total hypocrites. John remains the only one with integrity over this sadly and Ray and Robby will forever be the guys who sold out The Doors......I find that sad after all this time.  |
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Post by ensenada on Aug 28, 2005 15:14:27 GMT
after a closer listren today, whilst recovering from a heavy weeks boozing and class c drug abuse i listened to other voices and it really isnt a bad album to be fair..there are some good tunes on it. still, however, they are not as good as other voices tunes... |
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Post by othercircles on Aug 30, 2005 23:24:15 GMT
Other voices is most certainly as good as other voices! ;-)
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Post by jimbo on Aug 30, 2005 23:48:19 GMT
Other voices is most certainly as good as other voices! ;-) if not better! |
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Post by ensenada on Aug 31, 2005 12:43:24 GMT
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Post by othercircles on May 1, 2006 18:30:27 GMT
I think they shoulda had jack and/or other guys on the cover with em. Just having the 3 of em on the cover made a point of saying...... theres less of us now..were the old doors minus one. And they werent. With Jack Conrad and Billy Ray they were a new band really.. they should have pushed that image and it mighta worked out better.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 2, 2006 19:59:57 GMT
Fair point.....they did four tours with these guys and did say that they came to London looking for musicians (not just a singer) to revitalise the band.....one look at Beat Club shows the two were comfortable as part of the unit.......might have went part of the way to slaying the dragon that was Morrison's Ghost......but maybe Ray did not want them to be part of The Doors as that would have meant they got a slice of the pie rather than just a session fee......he did the same to astbury with his dork act....astbury is just a hired helper.......sharing has never been something that sits comfortably with Ray..... |
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Post by cobriaclord on Jun 29, 2006 18:55:54 GMT
Anyone know where i can get these two albums for free? Since I only like to support the Courson estate.
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Post by cobriaclord on Jun 29, 2006 18:57:46 GMT
Fair point.....they did four tours with these guys and did say that they came to London looking for musicians (not just a singer) to revitalise the band.....one look at Beat Club shows the two were comfortable as part of the unit.......might have went part of the way to slaying the dragon that was Morrison's Ghost......but maybe Ray did not want them to be part of The Doors as that would have meant they got a slice of the pie rather than just a session fee......he did the same to astbury with his dork act....astbury is just a hired helper.......sharing has never been something that sits comfortably with Ray..... I must disagree. He put Jim Morrison as the Doors frontsman even though he was very talented himself and was at points overshadowed by Jim's genius. I like Ray. |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jun 29, 2006 19:18:06 GMT
I have always loved Ray The Door......I have never said anywhere that I did not....just not keen on Ray the person but lets not forget that Ray apart from being a superb musician is not dumb either.....
he knew Morrison was the focal point and not him....he knew which side his bread was buttered on....
hell i think Ray worked his ass off in the earliest days of The Doors but it was sound business thinking not generosity of spirit that put Jim up front....
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