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Post by cobriaclord on Jun 29, 2006 19:21:49 GMT
Ray could have sung more songs.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jun 29, 2006 20:44:13 GMT
Ray could have sung more songs. I always enjoyed Ray's vocal contributions myself.....I found his support of Jim during the early gigs was very competent and added an interesting dimension to the song. But I doubt that he could have sung much more during the Morrison era other than the odd spot during gigs ......he was a good lead man with The Ravens but with a guy like Jim in the band who was electric Ray was a fifth wheel as far as the vocals were concerned. I liked his 'b sides' 'You Need Meat' and 'Close to You' on the AL album but other than that I for one feel Ray did best as the keyboard player not the singer. Ray did a competent job on Other Voices and was good in concert but he never had that extra spark Jim possessed that was the difference between a singer and an icon like Morrison had become.. Full Circle showed Rays limitations as singer of The Doors in my view although I thought he was very good with his two solo albums. During 1972/73 when the first rumours that a new singer would be recruited for The Doors began I was of the opinion that Ray had served the band well but needed to step aside....nothing in 30 years has altered that opinion for me. |
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Post by cobriaclord on Jun 29, 2006 20:51:00 GMT
I agree. In America they have this show where a band can find a new lead singer after their's have died. I think the doors should regroup and find a new Jim Morrison. Astbury sucks
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jun 29, 2006 20:59:08 GMT
I agree. In America they have this show where a band can find a new lead singer after their's have died. I think the doors should regroup and find a new Jim Morrison. Astbury sucks I don't think we need to go down that avenue as we had enough trouble with the tribute band.....  I prefer to remember The Doors as the greatest rock band ever 1965-1973.....and Jim was a one off....even if Jim was alive he could never recreate who he was in the 60s and 70s............. it's just a nice money maker ........hell it made 10 million bucks or more so imagine what it coulda made if everyone had been behind it.... ....but thats not exactly what The Doors were supposed to be about .........I said this over on Densmores site 'it seems to me that some people are falling over themselves to milk the meal ticket instead of perhaps just remembering that the meal ticket had a level of integrity in pursuit of his art that perhaps deserves a bit better than some of the shit spouted and done in his name.' Too many get rich schemes and not enough thought as to how best to serve both the memory and the Historical legacy of Jim & The Doors......releasing both Full Circle & Other Voices would have been a decent move. |
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Post by cobriaclord on Jun 30, 2006 17:07:38 GMT
They could find someone really talented that sounds and looks like JDM. The remaining Doors are still wicked talented musicians and if they could just find a singer...
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Post by cobriaclord on Jun 30, 2006 17:08:42 GMT
Why has Pink Floyd been more popular than the Doors?
Because Pink Floyd was able to move on after Syd Barrett and the Doors died after JDM.
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Post by ensenada on Jun 30, 2006 19:30:26 GMT
well lets be fair..regardless of what people think...jim was the front man of the doors and quite frankly the driving force behind their presence....when he died so did the band. of course they are superb musicians...but even though he didnt play anything, Jim created the sound of the doors through his will. when he died the music sounded less and less like the doors till you got silly songs like mosquito...which is nice...but come on...not doors.
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Post by miepie on Jun 30, 2006 23:04:37 GMT
well lets be fair..regardless of what people think...jim was the front man of the doors and quite frankly the driving force behind their presence....when he died so did the band. of course they are superb musicians...but even though he didnt play anything, Jim created the sound of the doors through his will. when he died the music sounded less and less like the doors till you got silly songs like mosquito...which is nice...but come on...not doors. I totally agree with you Rick. Without Jim there is no Doors. And even now with Ian Astbury it isn't the doors. When Jim died so was the doors only the music lives on through the fans. |
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Post by strangenightvstone on Jul 1, 2006 1:16:54 GMT
I I think the doors should regroup and find a new Jim Morrison. Astbury sucks even if Jim was alive he could never recreate who he was in the 60s and 70s............. Too many get rich schemes and not enough thought as to how best to serve both the memory and the Historical legacy of Jim & The Doors......releasing both Full Circle & Other Voices would have been a decent move. They will release them, why do you think they will not? Do you have any idea how quickly the technology is advancing? Every time the original tapes are run through the machine they degrade , the electrons move back to the original position. Why not wait, and it will sound incredible. Would it be worth the wait if they added a few things to the songs to make them better? |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jul 1, 2006 6:01:41 GMT
The reason I don't think they will release them comes from the fact they have said they won't ............
They see no value in these albums.......it's possible someone like Lemon will release them as they have already done the two Ray Manzarek solo albums.
The Doors so called manager claims they don't have the original tapes but then he does not know his ass from his elbow so who knows.
I doubt very much they would spend any time remastering them if they do have them as they would not expect to sell many copies so what would be the point.
These people put stuff out to make a profit (which is fair enough) and they showed with BMR that if the profit is not what they expected when they started they will pull the plug.
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Post by strangenightvstone on Jul 1, 2006 21:23:53 GMT
The reason I don't think they will release them comes from the fact they have said they won't ............ They see no value in these albums.......it's possible someone like Lemon will release them as they have already done the two Ray Manzarek solo albums. The Doors so called manager claims they don't have the original tapes but then he does not know his ass from his elbow so who knows. I doubt very much they would spend any time remastering them if they do have them as they would not expect to sell many copies so what would be the point. These people put stuff out to make a profit (which is fair enough) and they showed with BMR that if the profit is not what they expected when they started they will pull the plug. To quote Jeff Jampol the manager, he said " the guys in the band have something special planned for Other Voices and Full Circle. When you say "spend time remastering them" I do not follow. That is what Bruce Botnik was put on this earth for, he is waiting for that day. Bruce lives for remastering. He is researching all the new digital transfer technology. Right now there is 24 bit 192 khz possibility for DVD quality, it will be possible to go higher than 24, like 32 bit very soon. That means there is more vertical information on the file. The khz/second which is from 96-192khz are the number of slices/samples per second. The goal is to recreate the sound of two inch tape, which is what the masters are on. |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jul 2, 2006 4:59:45 GMT
Jeff Jampol seems to say anything that fans wanna hear......its 35 years since these albums were released and no one in The Doors world has given a shit about them since 1972 cos they bombed.......Ray did not even care about releasing his own solo work which is brilliant so I doubt he will give a damn about releasing a non Morrison album..........
If Jim's face cannot be used on the cover these people don't care about it......I would love to see these albums get the same treatment as the Jim Doors albums ......I love Other Voices but it ain't gonna happen cos there is not a profit in selling a Doors album without Jim Morrison.......these two albums sold sod all in 1971/72 so who is gonna buy them in 2006?
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Post by strangenightvstone on Jul 2, 2006 8:09:15 GMT
Jeff Jampol seems to say anything that fans wanna hear......its 35 years since these albums were released and no one in The Doors world has given a shit about them since 1972 cos they bombed.......Ray did not even care about releasing his own solo work which is brilliant so I doubt he will give a damn about releasing a non Morrison album.......... If Jim's face cannot be used on the cover these people don't care about it......I would love to see these albums get the same treatment as the Jim Doors albums ......I love Other Voices but it ain't gonna happen cos there is not a profit in selling a Doors album without Jim Morrison.......these two albums sold sod all in 1971/72 so who is gonna buy them in 2006? Ray does not know about technology. Jeff does not either. We are talking about Bruce Botnik now, that is the man we should look to as being in charge of the recordings. Ray also used to talk about a project called Bamboo Jungle that has never been finished. How can you expect Ray to look back at his solo stuff when he is probably concentrating on finishing the ROTS/ 21st Century album with stuff like "Cops Talk" and Michael McClure poetry. I wonder if Ray and Robbie have even completed one song with Ian Astbury. They have been going on and on about a new album. |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jul 20, 2011 8:51:30 GMT
This is obviously the oddity in the four sections as many Doors fans don't really want to know about these albums. Nonetheless if anyone has heard them. What's your take on them? What's your take on the two albums? Which was the best. Vote in the poll and tell us what you think. If you want to hear the tracks go to the lyrics and music section and check out the musical clips on the relevant songs. The Doors: Lyrics & MusicFull CircleOther Voices |
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