Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Apr 15, 2011 21:17:03 GMT
Personally I been thinking about such things for decades myself So dunno about a 40 year cushion as such. It's just a bit of fun really as it's pretty certain that live or die Morrison would not have ever made such an album.
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i think paul rothcildmakes the difference, if he would have produced the next album it owuld be a commercial album wich had to have hits on it so,jim would have fucked off and took all his songs with him. if they recorded the way they did with la woman, jim would be having more freedom to present his songs and make them work. paul rothchild turned out to be the bad guy for jim.
I seriously doubt Rothchild would have been involved in any 7th Doors album. He was dismissed by Holzman as a staff producer as Holzman thought he was becoming too big for his boots. Holzman retained him on a contract basis and remained friendly with him throughout. Rothchild burned his bridges with The Doors at the end of 1970. I doubt that The Doors would have wanted him even if he was offered. Other Voices was indeed produced the same way as LA Woman with Botnick as co-producer so it would seem reasonable as you say to surmise any 7th Doors album would have continued where LAW left off.
There is another to add to the mix. We know Paris Blues/Queen Of The Magazines was recorded during the LAW session. So maybe.
Side 1) Universal Mind Love Hides I Will Never Be Untrue Mystery Train Paris Blues/Queen Of The Magazines Now You Are in Danger (new song from Morrison's Paris Journals)
Side 2) Build Me A Woman Away In India Someday Soon Old Stone Road Whisky, Mystics and Men Orange County Suite
Hi everyone. Great board. First post - so just to be really naive, a solution would have been that if along with sharing all the song-writing credits Jim had inserted a clause allowing the Doors to tour with another singer as an employee, along with veto of who sang and which songs.
Hey, we might have been treated with Ian Astbury long before we were!
The success of Light My Fire changed the dynamics within the band, with the audience and with the record company. Without it, they may never have released three studio albums together, let alone seven.
If Jim had had a 40+ year hindsight, he could have allowed Other Doors to rake in as much from touring as they wanted, performing all the hits the crowd increasingly wanted, allowing him to concentrate on poetry, and easily keeping him from roofless, shoeless, poverty (which can't have been easy without LSD).
Total inversion of record company replacing group musicians whilst earning the majority of income from hit songs, so might have appealed on that anti-corporate level.
Ta daaa. A veto on another lead singer could have kept the group cohesive, giving everyone what they wanted.
Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Nov 15, 2012 9:53:47 GMT
Your point is very interesting but moot because sadly Jim was completely finished with The Doors in 1971. I doubt that he would have even wanted to be part of a five man Doors providing lyrics whilst someone else stepped in for him. By then he hated touring and was fed up with the audience who wanted LMF and the other hits. The rift between him and The Doors was far too great for something like that to happen. Morrison LEFT the band in March 1971 so did not really care what they did. He told them to carry on and suggested they do instrumentals.
Also you have to factor in the audience reaction to a Jimless Doors in 1971. Of course after Jim died The Doors continued as a 3 piece (augmented to 5 for touring) but played practically all new material apart from a couple of Robby songs. They played NO Jim Morrison songs in the two years they existed. They did OK with an audience who accepted Jim was not gonna turn up but how they would have reacted to a replacement Jim when he was sitting at home writing lyrics is a completely different thing.
The band were seeking a lead singer before he left for Paris according to their manager. They considered approaching Mike Stull from The Wackers. Morrison never had any intention of stopping the band touring and playing anything they wanted with whoever they wanted. It was THEY who made Morrison sign a document that disallowed HIM from calling HIS band The Doors without their say so. After Full Circle the band tried to bring in Howard Werth from Audience and the British press actually announced him as the new singer with the band.
The idea that the band could have carried on playing with other singers is not sustainable really as even Ray saw that was a non starter and bailed out in 1973 just before Werth was to join. As he said without Morrison there was no Doors. back in 1973 I disagreed because I wanted to see Werth with the band as he was (and still is) one of my fave singers. With the hindsight you mention I now see how wrong I was there and Ray was right.
30 years later the dogshit tribute act with astbury was a joke. All that was about was Ray wanting to steal the band name, remove Densmore's veto power so he could sell Doors songs to advertisers and make a packet on the nostalgia circuit. The only things it achieved was to destroy The Doors Internet community, make my favourite band a laughing stock and expose Manzarek as the lying hypocrite he was and is!
Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Nov 19, 2012 10:16:30 GMT
The 3 Doors were given a multiple album deal by Jac Holzman after Jim Morrison died. In Jac's words "my way of showing them it wasn't all Jim and saying thank you with Warner's money"......Elektra by that time was part of WEA.
Holzman also admitted that he did not believe there would be another Doors album after LA Woman and asked Bill Harvey to produce a collectors sleeve for the album which explained why the first batch was so unusual with its clear window effect.
We know from The Doors trial of 2003/2008 how much that deal was worth. They also set up a new company Alchemical which meant that Morrison and his estate were cut out of the loop for any future Doors music.
From Pt III Section 13. Statement of facts…. Proposed Statement of Decision
The New partnership Agreement for the surviving Members of The Doors October 1st 1971.
On October 1st 1971 Abe Somer negotiated a new recording contract between Elektra and the 3 surviving Members of The Doors for 5 albums at a minimum guaranty of $250.000 per album.
Also 'section 14' same document deals with the new partnership agreement that was drawn up to create the company Alchemical which owns the publishing rights for all the post Jim Doors material for the 3 surviving Doors.....