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Post by allthingslucid on Aug 8, 2006 19:10:04 GMT
I'm afraid you got it wrong. You should learn a thing or two from Vince about how Miami could have been AVOIDED. I love it how Doors fans love to put the blame on Jim for everything! First off the tour was most likely booked by a tour agency The Doors employed not the manager and I think you give too much importance to Bill he was after all just a roadie they promoted to phone answerer in Rays words...........he was likely involved but the decision to start off the tour in Miami was more likely the groups and the booking agency who were sorting out the dates for them..........It just happened that this particular tour began in that part of the country and progressed up the East Coast.....It was a tour of the Eastern side of the country so why should it start in San Francisco?......there was no reason to imagine that Jim was gonna do this.....we now know there was but in 1969 we did not.........so Siddons can hardly get the rap for this....Look up the dates of the cancellations in March/April 1969 it was a major tour of the other side of the country to San Francisco ............ Also it was not the first time that Jim had done this so blaming Siddons is silly............. newdoorstalk.proboards43.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1106403879The Action House Long Beach, NY - June 16th 1967
Before the first Action House show. Jim Morrison reportedly instructs the
bartender to line up fifteen shots of Jack Daniel's and
then drinks them all, one after another, just prior to
taking the stage. As the show progresses, he consumes an
additional fifteen shots and clearly exhibits the
consequences. The club is exceptionally hot before the band
begins, and the stage continues to heat up as the show
wears on. Finally, as if in premonition of events to
come, Jim begins to disrobe during one song, but is
interrupted before he can achieve his ultimate goal.
The Action House, Long Beach, NY - June 17, 1967
Probably the
shortest Doors show ever. At the start of the show, Jim
Morrison places the microphone in his mouth and begins to
create "unearthly sounds" until the other band members
help him off stage. Because it is primarily a dance
club, the abbreviated show causes little
disturbance.
Doors On The RoadMorrison did what he wanted..........the manager whoever he was could do nothing to stop that..............neither could the band......... It happened that we do know....who was to blame .......only one person....Jim Morrison........ |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Aug 8, 2006 19:22:56 GMT
I'm afraid you got it wrong. You should learn a thing or two from Vince about how Miami could have been AVOIDED. I love it how Doors fans love to put the blame on Jim for everything! ] I thought this was the way this was going mate  Seemed that you were one of his little followers......... I do not give a toss about Siddons myself but Vince Treanor is not the fountain of knowledge you may think he is ..........his forum ramblings are a lot of cobblers aimed at one thing...... his hatred of Bill Siddons because Bill got the managers job and he didn't.............if Vince is so full of insider knowledge how come he has never taken it to the Lizard Lounge or one of the official band forums and keeps it on the minor fan Doors forums........... I exposed his lies over on his own forum concerning Light My Fire & Buick.....don't bother bringing them here.................. The guy was a part time roadie employed simply to hump gear about and has no great knowledge of how The Doors and thier record company conducted its business........he showed that with his laughable expose of the LMF/Buick incident............The Doors are hardly gonna consult some bloke who carried their equipment when it came to organising a national tour..... His job was to get the gear there and back...thats all........... If he was manager his grand plan was to fire Jim Morrison if he did not quit drinking................that says it all! Something to remember....if Bill was such a useless cunt and The Doors gave HIM the managers job then it shows the calibre of the other candidates was not up to much..........  Vince only got the title Road Manager cos The Doors new he would cry when he found out Siddons was his boss......... (and unlike Vince I did not make that up ..... that comes from The Doors themselves)........he had the same job as he had before but with a fancy title and a few bucks raise..........I bet the first thing he did was go get a business card printed with Road manager on it His web stories are cool to read but the guy is a fool.......why does he not just go find Siddons and have a fight............. |
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Post by jym on Aug 10, 2006 2:16:44 GMT
Miami was not going to be avoided, it's not a series of events tumbling into a catasrophe, it was a conscious decision on Jim Morrison's part to end at least the perception of himself as ROCKSTAR.
As darkstar has pointed out in previous posts (threads?) Miami happened exactly six months after Ray asked Jim to "give it six more months" when Jim wanted to quit. Jim was at The Living Theatres performance of Paradise Now! the three nights previous to Miami, and Jim somewhat followed the outline of that, no matter how drunk he was.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jan 25, 2011 10:23:41 GMT
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jan 29, 2011 15:58:43 GMT
 Lubbock Journal March 6th 1969  St Petersburg Times March 7th 1969  Hesse Stars & Stripes March 7th 1969  The New York Times March 7th 1969  Corpus Christi Caller April 5th 1969  The Aquarian May 3rd 1969  Palm Beach Post August 13th 1969  St Petersburg Times November 9th 1969  St Petersburg Times November 11th 1969 |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jan 29, 2011 16:14:17 GMT
 Palm Beach Post September 14th 1970  The Modesto Bee September 21st 1970  Milwaukee Journal September 21st 1970  Pittsburgh Post Gazette September 21st 1970  Tuscaloosa News September 26th 1970  Kentucky New Era October 28th 1970  Daytona Beach Morning News October 30th 1970  Palm Beach Post October 31st 1970  Terra Haute Tribune October 31st 1970  Appleton Post November 5th 1970 |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jan 30, 2011 10:37:42 GMT
 Miami collage.  Advert for concert  Jim being interviewed by TV 1970  Jim entering courtroom with lawyer Max Fink.  Interviewed by media 1970.  Jim during Miami trial 1970    With his evil hat on Miami concert march 1st 1969  40 years on 'pardoned' by publicity seeking politician but not apologised to for farcical trial and conviction by corrupt Florida judge and prosecutors. |
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Post by michael on Jun 22, 2011 15:53:17 GMT
I always get a kick out of the footage from the TV interview of those little straight laced kids adding their bit. It's obvious none of them except for maybe the one girl was actually there. " Keeping this trash out of Miami" Oh yes Miami that capital of all things good and pure!
Unlike most I like Miami. While not the best musically it was an event a long time coming. A man pushed over the edge and tired of the persona he had created. Like a zit coming to a head the whole situation was bound to pop.
And through it all Jim's sense of humor was shining through. " Hey there are 50 or 60 people back there I hadn't noticed before... who's gonna come up here and love my ass?"
Convicted of the misdemeanor Jim could not have been extradited from any other state, hence the crazy bond of $50,000. The idea Jim was in Paris to avoid jail time is preposterous. He would have been safe anywhere but in Miami had he never went back.
I had it in mind that there could be some great Morrison signatures in a dusty file somewhere in that court house once a few years back and then heard from a reliable source Danny Sugerman had beat me to them.
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Post by darkstar3 on Jun 25, 2011 13:35:37 GMT
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jul 18, 2011 22:01:50 GMT
 This is an interesting item. Melody Maker from probably December 1968 (it's hard to see the date) announcing that The Doors were due back in Britain for 1969. We know a brief tour was planned for September 1969 beginning at the Royal Albert hall on September 19th 1969. The Nems agency was responsible for booking The Doors and dates were to include Manchester, Glasgow and Dublin. Sadly for obvious reasons this never happened. |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Sept 11, 2011 20:16:14 GMT
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Oct 1, 2011 8:44:04 GMT
  newspaper from 1970 reporting Jim had been sentenced. It's interesting as this says Jim was offered a chance to play a benefit concert and promote an anti drug message in return for a suspended sentence. Here it seems Jim preffered jail than play with his treacherous partners. Very interesting. |
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Post by gizmo on Oct 2, 2011 22:49:10 GMT
i think that jim didn´t want to say that drugs where bad, coz he´d used shitloads himselve. that would make him and his poems/ lyrics not true anymore coz loads of ppl knew he used drugs and so he'd loose his personality. if someone would see him under influence of anything or they would think he'd used anything they wouldn't believe the article or jim, and since most ppl trust the written words he'd be fucked
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Oct 3, 2011 7:39:27 GMT
But Morrison took part in an anti drug commercial for a radio anti drug drive. True he fucked it up and it was likely never used.
Morrison had a reputation for taking acid and other drugs.
By Miami Jim's 'reputation' was lower than a snakes ball bag.
What would it have mattered if Jim had done an anti drug gig.
By October 30th 1970 (the day he was sentenced) The Doors were on the slide.
It's true that his legal team were certain this judgement would be overturned but maybe Jim had just had his fill of The Doors by then.
He did get a second wind in December that year but it lasted one night and that was it.
The way The Doors had treated Jim after Miami must have had a bearing on his decision to leave the group and it may well have been in his mind by then so he did not want to agree to a gig his heart was not in.
Not because he did not mind drugs but because he was fed up playing with the three backstabbers.
Yes he did play a few gigs in Dallas and New Orleans but they simply highlighted that he did not want to play live anymore.
LAW was a minor miracle that may have come from his decision to leave the band and go his own way.
A desire to leave with something special to show for his time as a Door.
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Post by gizmo on Oct 4, 2011 23:51:53 GMT
that's right, he did an commercial for anti drug driving but he did it in a way that it wouldnt be usefull for radio, like i said in the above. jim was a word man (rather than a birdman) and he wanted ppl to listen to the words and create a subworld arround his lyrics( at the time of tsp album all of a sudden the lyricsist is mentioned, but that was because jim didn't want ppl to think he was writing bad lyrics) he stood for what he said and wrote, so an anti drug advert would be against him.
i think jim changed his stance against some drugs (after a while of taking the same drugs every day you want something else(psycedelics to cocain) and so his brain starts to react in a different way, and so he realized that the three others werent his real friends), but he'd never say drugs would be bad, only the way you'd consume it(he had a fear for needles).
i think that further at the end, the shows where getting dull for the audience(missing action) but jim wanted the words to be heard.
the three others wanted the action from the shaman for the show like in the beginning (and what the audience loved) but jim wanted the words. in the beginning he needed the show and all the crazy shit around it to draw attention for the band, but the further their carreer was going he only wanted the words to count (the whole miami trial was based on the living theatre where he used words and acts from, and all of a sudden it's bad?).
he wanted the words and the doors wanted the show of the shaman, and that's the point where they had to split.
i think at some point they all felt used by each other and the where all replaceable(but they didn't for the bad press at the time ), all but one.
jim.
i think he was able to make enough money for a living(in the future). the only problem is that he didn't live long enough to know
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