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Post by othercircles on Aug 17, 2005 22:40:44 GMT
I was listening to "The Soft Parade" (the song) the other day and what do I hear at the end but the line "get your guns"......... AGAIN. The same line that he loathed so much in "Tell All The People" he said again during the outtro outlib in title song.
I thought... well maybe it was him being funny and they happened to leave it in the mix. But then I'm listening to the Live version from the box set and I hear it again!!!! "Get your guuuuuuuns"
For a line that he hated so much in Robbies song, he didnt seem to have a problem using it in his own.
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Post by othercircles on Aug 19, 2005 19:36:11 GMT
Noone would like to comment on Jim's hypocracy? Oh well. People only want to comment if they want to argue.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Aug 20, 2005 9:40:42 GMT
I thought Jim's objection to the song was the 'Follow Me Down' bit as he did not want anyone to follow Him at all.........he did not consider himself a 'leader'....and the line in Soft Parade is NOT "get your guns"......... but 'You'd better bring your GUN'
He probably did not want to sing songs like Tell All The People from Soft Parade because they were not exactly great songs.....I love the album but the RK songs on it are among the poorest on a 4 man Doors album for me...even Wishful Sinful which is among my fave Doors songs...Touch Me was originally Hit Me which Jim refused to sing and the whole thing was a bit of a mess due in no small measure to Paul and his insane idea of trying to emulate some crap Beatles record...Even Jim's stuff does not work that well as Soft Parade the song is a better poem than a song....
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Post by othercircles on Aug 24, 2005 4:10:08 GMT
I've heard folks say a number of times that Jim did not like the line "get your guns" from tell all the people. Maybe that was just BS? Wouldn't surprise me. But it wouldnt surprise me if Jim was being a hypocrit either.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 12, 2011 15:57:07 GMT
I've heard folks say a number of times that Jim did not like the line "get your guns" from tell all the people. Maybe that was just BS? Wouldn't surprise me. But it wouldnt surprise me if Jim was being a hypocrit either. He probably was not that keen with either 'follow me' or 'get your guns' but I fail to see why he is a hypocrite for mentioning guns in the Soft Parade. Can't you see me growing, get your guns
The time has come
To follow me down Outskirts of the city
You and I
We need someone new
Somethin' new
Somethin' else to get us through
Better bring your gun
Better bring your gun
Tropic corridor
Tropic treasure
We're gonna ride and have some fun These are the two conflicting lyrics. One from Jim, one from Robby. I guess it's for the individual to judge whether Morrison was a hypocrite for not liking one and liking another. Over to you guys! |
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Post by casandra on May 12, 2011 17:53:44 GMT
I think that there isn't any hypocrisy. Jim didn’t like the lyrics and he said so. I think to say "get your guns" and "follow me down" means to give an order to the audience who are listening. Maybe Jim thought it could be an incitement to violence and he didn't like that. That song seems like a political manifesto, in which we don’t know what is the message, unless you must follow him and we don’t know where nor why. Saying "outskirts of the city" and "better bring your gun", I think is a recommendation, not an order. And it seems to refer to a specific person, since “we” are only two (you and I). He may be referred to the suburbs of the city were dangerous, and it was a description of a situation. Soft Parade is a long poem, very symbolic, with a lot of meanings and images, in which this verse is part of it. Anyway, I have seen lyrics some different. Meet me at the crossroads Meet me at the edge of town Outskirts of the city Just you and I And the evening sky You'd better come alone You'd better bring your gun We're gonna have some fun! Here, it seems to challenge someone to a duel, as a image of a Western movie, or he want to have fun with someone shooting to cans or bottles. Anyway, I'm not best placed to see all the meanings and different interpretations of the verses. I have much difficulty for understand o perceive the nuances of the verses and words.   |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 13, 2011 7:42:13 GMT
Anyway, I'm not best placed to see all the meanings and different interpretations of the verses. I have much difficulty for understand o perceive the nuances of the verses and words. I think you do better than many Doors fans that have English as a first language. Most Doors fans cannot string a sentence together when it comes to a debate about a band they supposedly admire. They are incapable of presenting an argument and then debating it. They were supposed to be among the more intelligent end of the rock world but most are nothing but sheep who wait to be fed and then bleat about the quality of the fodder they are given. You make a good point about Tell All The People sounding like a political manifesto and TSP's gun mention being a suggestion rather than a command. TSP is indeed a more complex piece than TATP but it also highlights the different approaches of the two poets Krieger and Morrison. Jim was more arcane in his verse whilst Robby more direct. There is little or none in the way of hidden meaning in RK's stuff but Morrison's still baffles over 40 years later. To this day nobody knows what the hell 5-1 (another song with guns in it) was meant to be about. |
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Post by casandra on May 13, 2011 17:21:32 GMT
Thanks, Alex. Many fans remain on the surface, so they avoid to think about it and avoid to use their brain. It is very tiring and boring for them. They believe the official story, althought this is full of half truths. It is the easiest. The same happens in other matters, such as believing everything the media say. Fortunately everyone isn’t so. As we say: the head serves to do more than keep the hair.  The sad thing is that Jim Morrison was almost hoarse from shouting and asking his audience to think about what was happening around them and few people seemed to have noticed the message that he kept in his words. Five to one is a difficult song that has many interpretations. We will never know that Jim really meant in that song. Well, that is fascinating, it can mean anything and noone can say that his interpretation is right. I have read many meanings for the word "numbers", but I am not sure which is right. I prefer Jim’s songs, because he was more complex and literary. Robby was a good writer of pop melodies, but I don’t detract his merit, as some of his songs were very good. I'm thinking Light my fire, Love me two times, Lost little girl, Touch me ... Anyway, Tell all the people is one of the few songs by The Doors that I don’t like it. |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Dec 23, 2011 14:12:03 GMT
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