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Post by kristyob on May 17, 2011 4:14:01 GMT
p.s. I meant you shouldn't take what we say as gospel. I have my opinions on people but I will be the first to admit I could very well be wrong. When it comes to men, I often am lol ; )
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Post by darkstar3 on May 17, 2011 16:28:53 GMT
Congrats! Great interview, Kristy. I enjoyed it very much.
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Post by casandra on May 17, 2011 17:00:02 GMT
Muchas gracias. I'm sure many of them are good people, but I also suppose some of them have their little quarrels and recriminations among them. Kristy, you know some of them personally, I'm sure you can give a more interesting and well-reported opinion of them than me who only know them through interviews. But your opinions are not a gospel for me!!!  |
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Post by matowitko on May 18, 2011 2:03:42 GMT
Well, for what it's worth, (my opinion, and, when you get down to the meat & potatoes of it, isn't that what forums are for? sharing opinions?) I don't think that Paul is like that at all. He wrote a book, he needs to sell copies of it, that's his bread & butter. He was actually there, man. He hung out with Jim. He isn't one of those money-grubbing leeches, he isn't like the record-company scum. That rant was abusive and mean-spirited, and I personally don't think that Jim would approve. Give people the same break that you would expect them to give you, were the shoe on the other foot. There is a saying: "Never judge a man until you have walked awhile in his moccasins." That's my thoughts on it.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 18, 2011 7:48:56 GMT
Well, for what it's worth, (my opinion, and, when you get down to the meat & potatoes of it, isn't that what forums are for? sharing opinions?) Absolutely spot on this is exactly what a forum is for and nice to see someone express opinion. I don't agree with you as you will see but respect to you for voicing yours. Hopefully you will do it some more.  Your opinion is exactly worth the same as mine or anybody else's. I don't think that Paul is like that at all. He wrote a book, he needs to sell copies of it, that's his bread & butter. He was actually there, man. He hung out with Jim. He isn't one of those money-grubbing leeches, he isn't like the record-company scum. That rant was abusive and mean-spirited, and I personally don't think that Jim would approve. 'I Don't think' ....exactly....but I do which is why I said so. He did write a book and does need to sell it but it's hardly his bread and butter as he is not an author just some bloke who knew Jim Morrison. We know that because Jim Morrison is on the front of his book which is oddly called the autobiography of Paul Ferrara. It's called milking. Which is what Paul has done. We Doors fans know he exists due to one coincidence in his life..... he was a pal of the lead singer of The Doors. His attitude sucks in my opinion. He wants it both ways. He wants our attention so he plasters Jim on the front of his book to get that but then he considers it a chore talking to Kristy about his book. She, and to a lot lesser extent I, do this man a favour by promoting his book. (Which I have not read yet but would like to.) She does the work in producing the interview questions and he acts like an ass by giving her glib answers. Sorry but we don't get 'starstruck' by these people here. If they wanna share information with Doors fans then thats cool in my eyes and they will get the respect they deserve but will find we question all that they say here. The fact he hung out with Jim cuts no ice with me. And your point about record company scum does not either. The biggest leech on the corpse of Jim Morrison is Ray Manzarek followed by his compadres. Robby Krieger will write a bio and will LIE about his black eye in it to create a bit of sensation. He has said that already in recent interviews. He will claim Jim hit him. That is a lie. So my question is who exactly are the 'money-grubbing leeches'? Manzarek has lied repeatedly about Morrison as have many others who 'hung out with Jim'. On several threads here we explore alternative explanations for important Doors Historical events and see through the veil of lies that is a lot of The Doors story. Some bloody interesting shit on this forum mate if I say so myself. A lot of us Doors fans use the Jim would not approve card. I have been victim of that myself I am ashamed to say. From what I read about Jim Morrison he had a shitload of faults including some he deserved an ass kicking for but he was to me a pretty honest and loyal friend to have. Would he approve of some of his ex friends money grubbing? Who knows....my bet No!.... but thats just an opinion based on no facts whatsoever. If Ferrera wants to milk his association with Morrison he will find Doors fans asking questions. If it's an annoyance to him he should do what Babe Hill did ....say very little and just disappear. He can't have it both ways which is what he seemingly wants. Give people the same break that you would expect them to give you, were the shoe on the other foot. There is a saying: "Never judge a man until you have walked awhile in his moccasins." That's my thoughts on it. Thats a really weak quote to me as it is one simply designed to avoid questions. You can't say anything because you were not there or did not know X,Y or Z. Well I was indeed not there as I was 15 when Jim died, never met him or saw The Doors and live in England so by your reasoning should never express an opinion of The Doors. But of course I do and will continue to do so. In exploring this band we do indeed make judgments here but unlike other Doors forums we make an effort to deal in facts. We say shit here but back it up with a decent argument. Hopefully you will continue to voice your opinion here as you will find yourself welcome by this small band if you do. Won't stop people debating things you say but as Jim once said .... “I like people who shake other people up and make them feel uncomfortable.”That gets my vote everytime. Welcome to the Scorpywag Forum  |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 18, 2011 8:28:32 GMT
from My Face Book page
Paul Ferrara
Your a pompus wind bag. You don't know shit.
Well one thing I can recognise when I see it mate, just in case you are reading is a clingon and thats you dude.
You milked your connection with Jim to flog your album and you write an autobiography and stick someone else's face on it.
As far as pompous goes I think you do that pretty well as you seem to me to be one of these types who want it both ways.
You want the attention but don't want anybody to look too closely at what you say.
I was being kind in my earlier comments but your interview is hardly riveting reading as you couldn't be arced to give the interviewer the same respect you expected her to give you.
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Post by gizmo on May 18, 2011 15:43:32 GMT
lol paul has made a post on his facebook page about this interview. i guess he doesn't like us anymore( i he ever did) the result.......................... Blue Sunday Thank you Paul. Gabriella Godoy one of the reasons i so much dislike journalists,and the people commenting? PLEASE! you do not know SHIT about it,were you there? NO! did you knew Jim ? NO! seriously people,if you do now know the facts,shut your stupid mouth,so you read no... one here gets out alive and now you even feel like you knew Jim,well guess what? you didnt! get over it. you all think you love Jim so much,then the least you could do is have some respect for Mr. Ferrara! and if you are only interested on him because he "knew Jim" then you hipsters fuck off,a lot of people knew Jim,so what? ,Paul is one of the very few people who do not try to sell Jim,and we owe him a lot of footage Seriously Paul,these people dont deserve access in your life. Raeanne Brewster What an ungrateful, rude, and disrespectful bunch. Good lord. I'm offended for you, Paul. Bill Bumby What a bunch of pompous assholes! Misty Marlow You know you have a number 1 fan here Paul who loves your work Lieselotte Hein Paul, ignore their idiotic comments. They don't appreciate or respect you or your work. Personally I love your photography, films, music & book. The only creativity these bitchy cretins understand is how to make up bullshit. They deserve a kick up the arse! You deserve better. ¢¾ Julia Negron I Loved this one: "Paul was not as tight with Jim as many seem to think..d." HA HA HA HA HA, what craziness is that? You guys were all like glue.. XOXO Paul Ferrara Julia Negron was married to John densmore and she speaks with authority.... Paul Ferrara Thanks for that Julia Mark Boninsegna The best way to deal with this nutcase is just to not talk about him anymore. Nicolas Thoenen how can you take this guy seriously anyway? i checked his fb profile; he looks like a total douchebag!!! he's just jealous that he wasnt there... Precious Epiphany cute***lol**** Sally Stevens Anyone who knew Jim at greater or lesser degrees is subject to attack on the message boards, etc. I knew Jim very briefly, and the level of attacks has been astounding. What makes it truly ironic is that these attacks took place on a boar...d actually maintained by the Doors themselves - or more Ray and Robby than John. If one feels constrained to hang about the Doors boards, I recommend completely avoiding the Doors board, and join the Densmore community, where things are more civil. The person we are discussing was actually invited out of there by John himself, if that makes anyone feel any better. Either way, it's going to ramp up until July in Paris, Fasten your seatbelts taken from paul ferarra's facebook page |
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Post by gizmo on May 18, 2011 15:57:43 GMT
from My Face Book page Paul Ferrara Your a pompus wind bag. You don't know shit.Well one thing I can recognise when I see it mate, just in case you are reading is a clingon and thats you dude. You milked your connection with Jim to flog your album and you write an autobiography and stick someone else's face on it. As far as pompous goes I think you do that pretty well as you seem to me to be one of these types who want it both ways. You want the attention but don't want anybody to look too closely at what you say. I was being kind in my earlier comments but your interview is hardly riveting reading as you couldn't be arced to give the interviewer the same respect you expected her to give you. sounds a little rayish |
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Post by gizmo on May 18, 2011 16:11:38 GMT
oh and stu is sucking on his fairytale thumb again
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 18, 2011 16:13:35 GMT
Nicolas Thoenen how can you take this guy seriously anyway? i checked his fb profile; he looks like a total douchebag!!! he's just jealous that he wasnt there...This is my fave Giz ....my FB profiles says this.... I am Male A profile picture of me in paris # of friends 46 (people I know not fantasy friends) Religion: it's ALL complete bollocks A quote from an Alan Hull song "The rich man drinks only whisky the poor man drinks only wine the middle class man drinks when he can but the wise man ...........drinks all of the time" The bands I like, books, TV and Movies. And that's it.......pretty perceptive to tell a person is a douchebag from that but I guess some people are. Bit unfair if it's just the photo as it's bloody hot that day and I was half drunk. I can tell Paul Ferrera is an attention seeker who uses Morrison to get it but you don't need perception to figure that one out. And I would imagine all Doors fans are a little jealous they were not there even the youngest ones. It's only natural to think that. oh and stu is sucking on his fairytale thumb again Stu will arcelick anyone who walked passed Morrison in a supermarket queue never mind someone who actually knew the bloke.
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Post by kristyob on May 18, 2011 16:53:59 GMT
Oh the drama!
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 18, 2011 17:15:22 GMT
Julia Negron I Loved this one: "Paul was not as tight with Jim as many seem to think..d." HA HA HA HA HA, what craziness is that? You guys were all like glue.. XOXO
Paul Ferrara Julia Negron was married to John densmore and she speaks with authority.... This ones a good one as well. I was not suggesting Paul did not know Morrison well but his comment that The Doors managers turned Jim into an alcoholic was utterly ridiculous and I pooh poohed that with my take on what he said.
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Post by casandra on May 18, 2011 19:12:09 GMT
What commotion!!!
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Post by kristyob on May 18, 2011 19:31:32 GMT
Sooo, how about that Cameron interview. Pretty cool huh ? I want to read his book. Guess who else wrote a book ? Dennis Jakob. Definitely want to hear what he has to say.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 18, 2011 20:09:36 GMT
Bloody hell.....that will be interesting. Dennis worked with Roger Corman and also Coppola as well as Jim's mate. Awesome news.  |
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Post by kristyob on May 18, 2011 21:54:13 GMT
I'm trying to find the link...it's called Summer with Morrison. He even has a fan page on Facebook.
Alex, just about everyone has worked with Corman in Hollywood...he's his own film school : )
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Post by matowitko on May 19, 2011 1:10:12 GMT
For what it's worth, I don't like the fact that you copied all of our comments from facebook.
Having said that, If I may, I'll dissect your answers to me, since you did the same with my comment...
"Thats a really weak quote to me as it is one simply designed to avoid questions."
Well, I don't think you fully grasped the concept contained within the words, but then it ain't exactly easy to translate them form Mohawk into English. I didn't say you didn't have a right to your opinions, on the contrary, everyone does. I never implied, even the least, that you "can't say anything because you weren't there", since MOST of us weren't there. The quote, handed down for countless generations, instructs us not to judge others based on insufficient information. It's not wise to judge others period, because 97% of the time the judgements are faulty and heavily biased. ...Didn't some Jewish carpenter mention something about that, circa two thousand years ago? Well, supposedly, I mean who can know for certain? NONE of us was around then! (or were we?)
"The biggest leech on the corpse of Jim Morrison is Ray Manzarek followed by his compadres.
Robby Krieger will write a bio and will LIE about his black eye in it to create a bit of sensation.
He has said that already in recent interviews.
He will claim Jim hit him. That is a lie.
So my question is who exactly are the 'money-grubbing leeches'?"
{Answer: Well, do the research, and I'm sure they will become obvious.}
"Manzarek has lied repeatedly about Morrison as have many others who 'hung out with Jim'."
..Now, THAT sentence, I agree with completely.
Thing of it is, man, why all the negativity and animosity directed towards Paul and all his friends? What the fucking fuck did we ever do to you? You don't know a damn thing about us, except what we allow on facebook, and what we share online. Am I being harsh, or cruel by saying that? Or am I simply being honest? (Note the subtle differences, honesty can be brutal, but never intentionally cruel..) The thunder awakens the Ancient from thier slumber...
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 19, 2011 8:32:29 GMT
Let me dissect your answer as well.... For what it's worth, I don't like the fact that you copied all of our comments from facebook. Having said that, If I may, I'll dissect your answers to me, since you did the same with my comment... . I DIDN'T copy all your comments from facebook because I have NEVER been to the page those comments were posted on. What I DID was comment on a post that was placed here. So my question is who exactly are the 'money-grubbing leeches'?" {Answer: Well, do the research, and I'm sure they will become obvious.} ... Exactly they do indeed become obvious. They are the kind of people who write an autobiography and place a picture of a famous dead man they knew briefly on the front cover. Or perhaps make an album and sell it to a certain type of fanbase on the fact that they knew a famous dead bloke and a couple of tracks include some famous band they happen to have known making a guest appearance rather than on any talent for music they have. These are the kind of folks whose minor fame comes from knowing someone rather than actually doing anything. They leech from the fame of someone who achieved fame by say for instance 40 years later going on some silly networking site and attracting followers because they knew someone. That type..... It's a common occurrence seen here in the UK quite often. "Thats a really weak quote to me as it is one simply designed to avoid questions." Well, I don't think you fully grasped the concept contained within the words, but then it ain't exactly easy to translate them form Mohawk into English. I didn't say you didn't have a right to your opinions, on the contrary, everyone does. I never implied, even the least, that you "can't say anything because you weren't there", since MOST of us weren't there. The quote, handed down for countless generations, instructs us not to judge others based on insufficient information. It's not wise to judge others period, because 97% of the time the judgments are faulty and heavily biased. ...Didn't some Jewish carpenter mention something about that, circa two thousand years ago? Well, supposedly, I mean who can know for certain? NONE of us was around then! (or were we?) ... That's rather patronising as most cultures have exactly the same concept and it is dead easy to understand even if the translation gets a bit wonky. The Jewish carpenter did not say exactly what the Mohawks said but he said basically people in glass houses etc. There is another nice little adage that says actions speak louder than words .....I for one like that one best..... actions...they are a useful way of determining a persons character. Say perhaps someone who writes an autobiography and places a picture of a famous dead man they knew briefly on the front cover. What does that tell you? Well it tells me that this person feels that their own picture on the front would not generate enough interest so let's stick someone famous on and get more people to be interested. Actions are useful for this kind of thing. Another example. let's see...how about someone who records an album and then promotes it on the strength that they knew someone famous who was in a famous band and they managed to get some of that famous band to play for a few minutes on that album. That sort of person exposes his true character by those actions. It's not difficult really. Actions again....Say for instance you knew someone who used to go to Thailand to have sex with young girls/women because there young people don't have the same laws to protect them that they have in my country. Many of us know people like that. I have worked with that type. Utter sleazebags or even douchebags as that is a word you may be familiar with. These scumbags go to the Far East because if they tried that here they would get the shit beaten out of them. You would know from their actions how truly repulsive they were. In public holier than thou but behind the mask an utter piece of shit.... The measure of a man’s real character is what he would do if he knew he would never be found out.Thomas Babington Macaulay Brit poet and politician This one of my fave quotes.....I place it here for no particular reason whatsoever..... The walking in shoes adage I am not as fond of as that can easily be construed by unscrupulous people to say don't comment on something that you were not around to see or you did not know X so Y knows better as they did. That sort of elitist nonsense we see from people who know famous people briefly and then spend the rest of their life trading off it. "Manzarek has lied repeatedly about Morrison as have many others who 'hung out with Jim'." ..Now, THAT sentence, I agree with completely. Thing of it is, man, why all the negativity and animosity directed towards Paul and all his friends? What the fucking fuck did we ever do to you? You don't know a damn thing about us, except what we allow on facebook, and what we share online. Am I being harsh, or cruel by saying that? Or am I simply being honest? (Note the subtle differences, honesty can be brutal, but never intentionally cruel..) The thunder awakens the Ancient from their slumber..... I didn't HAVE any animosity towards Paul until he and his band of asslickers started slagging me off Now I do but I didn't yesterday. I didn't know who any of you are yesterday and still don't today because you seem to think I have been trawling Paul's facebook page but NEVER been there dude....NOT ONCE.... But it seems one of your number judges me as a douchebag based on a photo of me a bit worse for wear in Paris so I would not get too high up on the horse mate if I were you. I have never said a word about any of you....I didn't even know you were one of Paul's band of bottom lickers. The point you make about what did you folks do to me is simple ....you did nothing except a bit of banter which I don't even take that personally and I reciprocated by doing nothing to you. All I did was point out that Paul's answers seemed tired and hackneyed and were disrespectful to the lady who interviewed him. I based that on the full unedited interview I was privy to not just what appeared here. I took one of his answers and pointed out that it did not make sense. My comment that he was not as tight with Jim did not mean that I doubted he had hung with Jim for a while simply that hanging out with someone does not mean you know their every nuance. I have hung out with people over decades, rather than the couple of years Paul knew Jim, and could not say I was tight with them. So all you people did was take a flippant remark on my part based on a flippant remark (in my opinion) from him to an interviewer and turn it into the Suez crisis. I think it says a lot more about you folks than it does about me The people who knew Morrison briefly do seem to have a band of zealots who protect them but I question all of these people over anything they say. They don't all tell the truth and that is the crux of the whole thing. I have yet to read Paul's book but probably will. It will get the same scrutiny here as Doug Cameron's is getting. Doug seems to be more mentally stable than you lot but then it takes all sorts as they say.... The thunder awakens the Ancient from their slumber Holy shit that sounds serious.... Does Obama know? Feel free to dissect anything here but when you do....try to get your facts right because you seem to be telling me the same whilst doing the opposite. |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 19, 2011 8:42:09 GMT
Alex, just about everyone has worked with Corman in Hollywood...he's his own film school : ) Yeah but Dennis was there when RC started. Corman worked with Coppola as well around that time. Dennis must have made an impression on Frank to get such a big credit on Apocalypse Now. Morrison described him as the only guy he ever met who had read more books than him...... |
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Post by gizmo on May 19, 2011 14:23:38 GMT
For what it's worth, I don't like the fact that you copied all of our comments from facebook. Having said that, If I may, I'll dissect your answers to me, since you did the same with my comment... . I DIDN'T copy all your comments from facebook because I have NEVER been to the page those comments were posted on. What I DID was comment on a post that was placed here. it was me who put the quotes from facebook up here, and for as far as i know is it legal to do so. i added the names(nicknames) from the ppl who placed the reactions, the only thing i removed was how many ppl liked the reactions. names and sources are the only thing i have to add according to the law here (and for as far as i know internet hasn't got a law on what to do when you use quotes) so i did what i have to do. if you want your quote removed let me know and i'll do it |
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