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Post by kristyob on May 18, 2011 19:45:47 GMT
I believe that had the Doors known what was going on with Vince they wouldn't have allowed it. They probably assumed he took care of everything and let the responsiblity of the band boys to him (I have not yet read Doug's book so my opinion may change).
Sara, I'm curious why Doug would leave out so much info. Perhaps with encouragement he will update it.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 18, 2011 20:16:40 GMT
I believe that had the Doors known what was going on with Vince they wouldn't have allowed it. But that's the point Kristy Doug told Jim and I do believe he told Ray as well. Any young man would look to Ray in that group as the most responsible. He was the father figure in the band. I think Doug went to Ray and told him about Vince. I will have to re-read and find the page to double check.....  It is some serious shit this and does not reflect well on The Doors. we had some scandals here with Glitter and Jonathan King and a Bay City Roller and Pete Townshend has never explained satisfactorily why he paid with his credit card to join a child porn site. His research for a non existent book proved to be a lot of nonsense. |
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Post by kristyob on May 18, 2011 21:55:52 GMT
Oh Alex, I didn't know that. What was Morrison's response ?
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Post by darkstar3 on May 18, 2011 22:04:47 GMT
Oh Alex, I didn't know that. What was Morrison's response ? Jim didn't say anything re: the subject Doug posed to him. I'll have to look to see if he said anything to Manzarek in his book. |
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Post by kristyob on May 18, 2011 22:48:27 GMT
Is it possibly Jim said something to Vince privately ? Sometimes it can be hard to know how to respond in the moment to a subject so taboo.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 19, 2011 9:01:07 GMT
Is it possibly Jim said something to Vince privately ? Sometimes it can be hard to know how to respond in the moment to a subject so taboo. If the account Doug gives on p49 is accurate and of course I don't expect it was verbatim after such a long time then I would not think so. Jim seemed more concerned with photos and tapes he had asked Doug to sort out for him. Not Jim's finest hour. Obviously we have no idea if anyone in The Doors approached Treanor about his habits. Maybe Bill did and thats why Vince hates Bill...who knows. The point of the whole thing is that The Doors had someone inside their inner circle who procured young men using the band. That is some seroious shit. They were lucky they did not end up getting a law suit from some kids parents. How lucky or unlucky those poor kids were is not known. Doug impressed me with his tale as he certainly showed maturity beyond his years. But the genie is out of the bottle now and Vince Treanor is exposed as a sleazebag of the worst kind. He was doubtless not the only one inside a bands entourage as I said we have plenty here in the UK plus many we don't know about. But we now know about Vince and he happened to be a roadie for my favourite band. It alters my liking for them not one iota but it does make me wonder at the mentality of a band that employs such a horrible individual. If of course they knew......and that is obviously relevant.....did they know.....according to Doug he told Jim and possibly Ray. What they did with that knowledge would be interesting to know. |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 19, 2011 11:16:53 GMT
1. After reading your book I got the impression that Jim was getting bored with being a rock star. What was your impression? Endless amounts of adulation, booze, instant gratification and women (very pretty women) actually do become redundant. I think by March of '69 Jim was exhausted. After March 1, 1969, life was a struggle for Jim.I like this one as well. What Doug says from what he saw shows how much DiCillo misrepresents Morrison in his godawfulfilm When You're Strange. Surely if Morrison was such an attention hound he would not seem like this to an impressionable young lad who was lucky to find himself working for the biggest band in America. Jim's tale is full of incidents that contradict that WYS hogwash but it's nice to see the perspective of someone like Doug. Doug saw Morrison did not like talking about the band but loosened up when literature or film was brought up. hardly the actions of some vain, attention seeking, preening rockstar. 'Jim was exhausted' ....which was why he wanted a break and when denied it by Ray and finding that a tour of the US had been booked when all he wanted was a rest. First date ...Miami....what would you have done? 
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Post by kristyob on May 19, 2011 18:21:47 GMT
I would be interested to hear Vince's take on everything. Not that I'm doubting Cameron but just to get a fair assessment of the situation. At least Doug had the insight and wisdom to protect himself.....many that age don't. That is why they are chosen and become victims.
However getting left behind in Mexico is not cool!!!
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 21, 2011 19:49:33 GMT
The nearest we are likley to get on that is what he shared on the Freedom Man site.
He did a few items for that site which were rather interesting although now with Doug's information it becomes rather disturbing. On the forum he was obsessed with hatred of Bill Siddons and told several lies which I disputed with some info from people like Jac Holzman from FTM the Elektra History.
I doubt that someone of the kind Vince Treanor was would care to admit too much about their activities even if they were safely ensconced in the Far East.
We saw justice done to Gary Glitter and Jonathan King long after the event.
It would be interesting to see his response to Doug's story but people like that tend not to face their past. The Glitter story would show you probably how Treanor would react.
Not a great chapter in Doors History but one that should be faced and discussed. Would be nice to see someone confront the Doors with Doug's book.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jun 7, 2011 11:17:33 GMT
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jun 20, 2011 9:46:23 GMT
13. You got to go for a late night swim in the hotel swimming pool with Morrison one night. I’m under the impression that as long as you did not bring up the band to Jim he was more friendly towards you. Your conversation during this brief time was like no other conversations prior to that: you both were swimmers on teams in high school and you both had a passion for literature. I was intriged that you asked Jim what he was going to do when the Doors were finished as a band? Jim’s answer back was he was going to open a nightclub and call it “The Albatross”. What do you think Jim ment by using the words “Albatross?”First off, Jim was the ultimate existentialist. It wasn’t that he didn’t want to talk about the band so much as he didn’t want to talk about ANYTHING in the past. The albatross reference (and the image of the dead albatross hanging around one’s neck) was a metaphor for Jim’s freedom. But he wasn’t free because he had an albatross called The Doors hanging around his neck. This is interesting especially in light of recent events as The Doors try to close a Paris Bar that dared associate Jim Morrison with alcohol. They simply just don't get it! Even Morrison thought these guys were a burden hanging over his shoulders that weighed him down. "A psychological burden that feels like a curse" is how it is alluded to in Coleridges poem. Morrison was from sea faring stock so I am sure he was well aware of the poem. Many times he used metaphor in songs to allude to The Doors with his references to silver and gold and burdens. His was carrying three large men, a record company and the expectation of millions of fans on his shoulder. No wonder he got drunk sometimes. |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Nov 10, 2011 18:09:24 GMT
A very good interview well worth a bump.
The book is well worth a look as well for it gives an insight into both the best and worst character traits of Jim Morrison.
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Post by glasstecwindows on Nov 10, 2018 5:02:36 GMT
It's interesting that we find we get two interviews from people who had an association with Morrison.
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