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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jan 3, 2005 20:47:19 GMT
The Whole Thing Started With Rock & Roll, Now It's out of Control    Side One
1.The Whole Thing Started With Rock
and Roll & Now It's Out Of Control
2.The Gambler
3.Whirling Dirvish
4.Begin The World Again
Side Two
1.I Wake Up Screaming
2.Art Deco Fandango
3.Bicentenial Blues
4.Perfumed Garden
Ray Manzarek's 1974 follow-up to his excellent The Golden Scarab (A Rhythm Myth) from the same year finds producer Bob Brown stepping into Bruce Botnick's shoes. Over 40 minutes of music from the Doors' keyboard player expands the excellent concepts initiated by the Doors' Other Voices and Full Circle albums, with the thread continuing on the aforementioned The Golden Scarab. The title track was composed by Manzarek, manager Danny Sugarman, and journeyman guitarist Dick Wagner, fresh from his stint in the Lou Reed's Rock & Roll Animal Band and right before he would co-author hits by Alice Cooper. Flo & Eddie provide backing vocals on the two-minute-and-33-second title song, the shortest on the disc. "I Wake up Screaming" resembles music from An American Prayer, and indeed, it's a poem by James Douglas Morrison featuring an early performance by poetess Patti Smith. With so much depth and intrigue here, Polygram Records deciding to take three tracks from this album and tag them on the end of a 1994 re-release of The Golden Scarab deprived Manzarek and Doors fans of the full scope of this work. The complete sessions from both projects in one package would be appropriate. "Bicentennial Blues" could be an outtake from Other Voices and features Manzarek at his most Doorsy, especially when the long keyboard solo in this nearly eight-minute track gets the tonal quality and riffs from "Light My Fire." Had the three Doors continued their musical journey together, this important music may have found a wider audience — it definitely grooves. Where Larry Carlton performs on The Golden Scarab (A Rhythm Myth), Eagles/James Gang guitarist Joe Walsh shows up here, as do Steve Forman — percussion player with Marty Balin among many others — and Paul Davis. It's an interesting musical mix, with Manzarek indulging in all sorts of keyboard instruments and synthesizers. He's flanked by enough equipment on the back cover to stock a music store, but refrains from drenching the disc in those sounds, as Gary Wright would with 1976's Dream Weaver. Rock meets jazz here on "Perfumed Garden" and other tracks, providing a unique glimpse of one of rock & roll's most enduring characters. "The Gambler" moves with authority, while the quirky instrumental "Whirling Dervish," co-written with Paul Davis, keeps the momentum and is chock-full of the creative sparks Manzarek always provides. "Begin the World Again" is thought-provoking and entertaining, as is this entire disc.
by Joe Viglione
All Music Guide
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jan 3, 2005 23:12:55 GMT
A superb effort from Ray and to this day its a disgrace that it has not seen a CD release. I still love it after 30 years my fave track "Bicentennial Blues (Love It Or Leave It)" is an awesome example of Ray at his best with a quirky backing by The Turtles .....Mark Volman and Howard Kaylan. Patti Smith reads a punk version of Jims Ensenada poem on 'I Wake Up Screaming' and the title track (taken from one of Jim Morrisons concert pronouncements) is a classic rockin ' number. For any Doors fan not familiar with this album....it might be worth while finding out more....  |
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Post by jimbo on Apr 26, 2005 21:38:53 GMT
I've heard Bicentennial Blues and Whirling Dirvish, very cool material
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Apr 26, 2005 21:42:05 GMT
Bicentennial Blues is one of my all time fave Ray tracks.....'Whole Thing Started' is a great album....
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Post by jimbo on Apr 26, 2005 21:55:56 GMT
Obviously I've heard the six Doors with Jim albums countless times. I'm trying to expand within the arc of Doors material. First I aquired all the tracks from Other Voices and Full Circle. I'm slowly getting into some trading. Then I bought (and absolutely loved) Golden Scarab. Its a shame The Whole Thing Started isnt' available on CD, as I'd surely wanna pick that up. I've heard three tracks off Carmina Burana (very cool, I've always liked the track "O Fortuna" when used in film). I haven't heard anything by Nite City although I'd like to, so really I want the complete Ray collection. Then I'd move on to Robby and John (together and as individuals)
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Apr 26, 2005 22:03:31 GMT
Ray is the only Door to actually do anything worthwhile after 1973....his solo work is excellent and Nite City are a cool 70s outfit similar in style to many of those around at the time...
Butts Band 1 apart Robbys stuff is pretty weak really and John has not done anything except for the odd guest spot although Tribaljazz sound worth a listen.
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Post by jimbo on Apr 26, 2005 22:05:44 GMT
Butts Band One is what I was thinking, because most say BB2 is shit
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Apr 26, 2005 22:08:36 GMT
Calling it shit is a compliment....I gave my copy away to one of the girls in the house I lived in when I lived in London who liked the soul feel....Pep saw a copy in Beanos in Croydon (which was a regular haunt of mine back then) this year and it could well be mine as maybe she got sick of it and flogged it   |
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Post by jimbo on Apr 27, 2005 0:51:48 GMT
I just heard the title track, very cool put this album on CD damnit! ;D |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Apr 27, 2005 9:08:08 GMT
Ray on The Whole Thing Started With Rock & Roll
By now it is known that Ray Manzarek was largely responsible for the Doors' different musical sound: a sound that has influenced and affected the course of rock & roll: a part of the circle that has come full. Growing up in Chicago and hearing the Blues had a good deal of affect on the sound that Manzarek's music would shape into
...."South Side of Chicago around 35th and Western, St. Rita High School, De Paul University, and the Blues on the South Side of Chicago. Man, that's what really did it...That's made me everything I am. Just hearing Muddy Waters and Howlin' Wolf and John Lee Hooker and Magic Sam and etc. and etc, on the radio killed me. To hear that stuff on the radio, I just went crazy for it. That and Jazz. . . Lots of Miles Davis, and since I studied piano and took piano lessons, I got into a lot of classical music too, so a lot of these things together, that's what made it."
But it wasn't till he got out to California and met Jim Morrison that music became a full time activity. In Chicago it was just. . . "beer bars. I played Friday and Saturday nights at fraternity parties, Buddies Rhythm Lounge and places like that for $10-$15 per night. It was just a part time gig for me. I never really considered music even when I went to California. I was in the film school in UCLA where I met Morrison. We were in the same class. Weekends I'd play in bars in LA but still had no intention of going into it full time. Then after graduating I found myself wondering "what the hell am I going to do?" After being in school all my life, there I was: school finished, got my degrees, nothing else I can do. Now it's time for the real world, the outside world. . . .After not seeing him for three or four months I met Morrison on the beach one day. I asked what he'd been up to. "Writing some songs." he replied. I asked him to hear some of them and after he sang me a bit of "Moonlight Drive" it just blew me a way and I thought what a great song, let's get a rock and roll band together. He told me that's exactly what he wanted to do. So we did it. That was the only thing we could do. It was either that or go on Welfare."
The Doors' music is a unique blend of rock, blues, jazz, classics and poetry. And so Ray Manzarek keeps playing it and letting itself be developed. "The Whole Thing Started With Rock and Roll and Now It's Out of Control" is the title of his second solo album. But even months before it was finished, this is what we were talking about when Ray Manzarek came to Triad to record an interview for radio broadcast.
"Rock and Roll got the whole thing started--it went over to England; the Beatles and Stones picked up on it, reinterpreting Blues and Anerican music in general--sent it back to us; we picked up on the English thing and psychedelisized it and sent it back to England, and it just keeps bouncing back and forth between America and England. Now we've been in the process of re-examining our 50's roots: Locomtion, Jim Dandy to the Recsue and all that stuff. It's been done before in the 50's and sometimes even be tter back then. So now that we've re-examined our roots, we've got to open ourselves up to the rest of the world. There's an entire world of music out there that few people people know about. There's African rhythms and Brazilian sambas, there are Bossa N ova rhythms. There's Chinese and Japanese music--strange, unreal sounds, erie sounds; there's Middle Eastern music; there's music all over the place. What I'm trying to do and what I think is going to happen, is that we'll keep our basic rock and roll fou ndation and bring in tastes and bits of these other cultures. Then music is going to go crazy--you'll hear sounds you've never heard before. It may take two or three years for it to happen, but when it does it's going to be great: A real global music wit h a basic rock and roll foundation!"
by Saul Smaizys
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Apr 27, 2005 9:11:19 GMT
I just heard the title track, very cool put this album on CD damnit! ;D The Whole Thing Started With Rock & Roll was written by Ray and Danny along with Alice Cooper/Lou Reed guitar legend Dick Wagner and the title came from a Jim pronouncement at a concert when he came on stage and said to the audience... "The Whole Thing Started With Rock & Roll now its out of control".... |
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Post by jimbo on Apr 27, 2005 10:31:47 GMT
yeah one of Jim's more memorable quotes
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Post by ensenada on Apr 30, 2005 22:26:36 GMT
A superb effort from Ray and to this day its a disgrace that it has not seen a CD release. I still love it after 30 years my fave track "Bicentennial Blues (Love It Or Leave It)" is an awesome example of Ray at his best with a quirky backing by The Turtles .....Mark Volman and Howard Kaylan. Patti Smith reads a punk version of Jims Ensenada poem on 'I Wake Up Screaming' and the title track (taken from one of Jim Morrisons concert pronouncements) is a classic rockin ' number. For any Doors fan not familiar with this album....it might be worth while finding out more.... just been giving this thread a proper read. i had no idea about this other ray album. it sounds like it was put together by some very competent people. and by the review sounds very interesting. not to mention patty smith reciting one of jim's poems, and the ensenada one! what a shame it never made it to dvd....you would think rays ego would make that happen and promote the bloody music he made himself on the back of the D21C!? i love golden scarab, its a great album. has anyone been able to transfer this to cd? i would love to hear it....becoming a bit of a ray music fan....  |
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Post by ensenada on Apr 30, 2005 22:28:23 GMT
how can i get to hear the title track is it on rays website?
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Post by stuart on Apr 30, 2005 23:03:59 GMT
I have no Idea why some people diss the butts band as the music is very solid(I have the cd-The Butts Band:The Complete Recordings) a bloody good group"I Wont Be Alone Anymore" and"Sweet Danger" Are GREAT songs imo |
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Post by jimbo on Jul 11, 2005 2:03:29 GMT
Is there anyway I can download this album? I love it and would like to put it on CD
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jul 18, 2005 9:08:06 GMT
Just saw on Amazon UK that The Whole Thing Started With Rock & Roll is out on CD from today (18th July) at £7.99. If you have not heard this before then it is a must have CD for your Doors collection as its a great album. Looks like those emails to Lemon by Doors fans have paid off...cool!
www.cherryred.co.uk/lemon/newrel.htm
Whole Thing Started With Rock 'n' Roll - Now It's Out of Control Ray Manzarek Our Price: £7.99 & eligible for Free UK delivery on orders over £19 with Super Saver Delivery. See details & conditions. Availability: usually dispatched within 2 to 3 days. Audio CD (July 18, 2005) Number of Discs:1 Label: Lemon ASIN: B0009V6FJU Catalogue Number: CDLEM71 Album Description • This, the official follow up to "The Golden Scarab" once again sees Doors keyboard man Ray Manzarek on true rocking form. • The album has never been released on CD before and has become a much sought after item for collectors. • This digitally remastered record features legendary Eagles guitarist Joe Walsh and also Lou Reed collaborator Dick Wagner. • The track ‘Wake Up Screaming’ is actually a poem written by one "James Douglas Morrison" and one which features Patti Smith. • In fact this album, as with his previous effort, contains an array of special guests from the era.
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Post by ensenada on Jul 18, 2005 14:14:33 GMT
so does this mean it is now on cd? i will have to get it. still gotta download cmina burana thingy magigy
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Post by jimbo on Jul 18, 2005 15:50:09 GMT
Oh awesome! I'll definitely buy this album for CD, I love it. Update: I just ordered it! |
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Post by jimbo on Jul 28, 2005 17:39:17 GMT
Got my copy today! |
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