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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Aug 20, 2011 9:20:19 GMT
Two conflicting views of the worth of Doors cover bands from the 90s via Doors4ly magazine. I myself am on the pro side as all these guys are fans and provide a good nights entertainment. They can never emulate The Doors and are not trying to most of the time. It's a harmless tribute to a great band.      Full mag here.... newdoorstalk.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=mag&action=display&thread=1965For me Kennealy is doing her usual nutjob act. She goes overboard as usual and sounds crazy. It's a pity as she is a clever writer but her insane stewardship of Jim Morrison's memory wore thin a decade ago. She has lived in her fantasy world so long sadly she actually believes that she and Jim were some kind of cosmic soul mates. (She even adopted his name after saying she wouldn't.) Instead of the reality that Morrison would run out the back door if she came to The Doors office and if she called on the phone would tell people to say he was out. She does make the odd good point for the anti camp but does so with such extreme violence nobody would notice. Not a fan of Soft Parade at all but they are indeed fans and the writer makes a few good points for the pro side. None of the bands could ever hold a candle to the Doors but that is exactly the point. None of them are trying to. It's a bit of fun. It does no harm and promotes the bands music and the guys in the band become better musicians as the music they are trying to copy is the sort of music that would make them so. For me the cover band experience is a win win situation for everybody including Jim Morrison. Whom I don't think would have had the extreme reaction that Kennealy says but I think probably would have thought the concept rather weird. |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Aug 20, 2011 14:06:09 GMT
Behind The Music
Abba tribute acts face ruin .
Mon 7 Jun 2010 13:04 BST by News Editor in Behind The Music
When the British public are asked which band they most want to make a comeback, there is usually only one winner. Abba are generally the number one choice, which reflects the timeless appeal their unmatchable canon of pop classics continues to command, both here and internationally.
It also explains why there are so many Abba tribute acts. At the last count, at least 40 were on the circuit, entertaining fans across the UK with their own take on the ‘70s chart stars' back catalogue. But they could all face ruin if legal action launched by Universal Records is successful.
Lawyers from the label's Swedish branch have sent out notices to 15 tribute groups demanding they stop trading off the Abba name, calling it an infringement of the band's intellectual property rights.
"We've had complaints from all over the world where fans feel they've been misled and we feel it's our duty to protect the Abba brand from misuse," explained an official spokesman for Universal.
The legal action could signal the end for the likes of Abba Queens, Abba Mania, AbbaDabbaDoo and Swede Dreamz Abba Tribute. However, Bjorn Again, perhaps Björn, Benny, Agnetha and Anni-Frid's most famous imitators, are not reported to be under threat.
Anneli Stockwell, singer in Abba Queens, admitted they had been left stunned by the news: "We've been established for four years with the band name, working our way up from playing in pubs to theatres. If we have to change the name we'll lose all that business and reputation. We've also spent a lot of money on backdrops and publicity already," she explained.
Meanwhile, Patrick Haveron, who runs a tribute act management company, said such legal action was unnecessary and predicted a doom-laden future for acts such as Kazabian, Stereophonies and Coldplace. "It's not about trying to pass the act off as the real thing, but there needs to be a connection in the name," he insisted.
Are Universal right to clamp down on Abba tribute bands? Or are they being unnecessarily heavy-handed? Are you worried about the future of tribute bands? Have your say below....
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Aug 20, 2011 14:11:14 GMT
This is interesting and we know that The Doors under both Danny Sugerman and lately under Jeff Jampol have flexed their muscles against anything they don't control. Could The Doors do a similar thing and would Doors fans care? The Doors in July made The Doors Alive remove The Doors logo from a 40th Anniversary T Shirt but would they go further and attack the bands themselves? It's an interesting debate ....feel free to join in!  |
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Post by eks74014 on Aug 21, 2011 9:54:05 GMT
would be interesting to see the Doors management shutting down coverbands as one group in particular would present them a hard nut to crack: Wild Child, the band seemingly approved of for over 20 years, fronted by Dave Brock who now is the singer for Ray and Robby themselves... in a crusade against coverbands, would they harpoon their friend's band in sweeping and annihilating Doors tribute acts?... I don't think so. and for all I know they shouldn't, let's hope they never do start a campaign against the vast legion of Doors coverbands... the b(r)and on the contrary should be honoured; any open minded, self respecting inactive band should embrace the idea of others paying their respects, bringing tribute in such a fashionable way; a decent coverband may well be the purest expression of admiration... these guys indeed rank among the Doors' biggest fans and they celebrate their heroes to the extreme, very often introducing the music to the fresh ears of younger generations... of course this is but the creative side of the story, hands down there's loads to be debated on the business, the financial side of it all... this is where the issues and problems reside, the one piece of the cake the officials have their eyes on. I am pro coverbands, the good ones anyway... and as for their role in the Doors legacy, I've never seen any of them tarnish the legendary slate in a fashion reminiscent that of Ray & Robby's own these days... not particularly being against their " ultimate tribute band" either, I am solely referring to the tasteless "Sex Machine" part of their recent live shows; check this thread: newdoorstalk.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=ray&thread=1937&page=1#13338in the end though, as with anything it will be legal and copyright matter standing in the way... just as we've seen happen in Paris this summer. |
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Post by wplj on Aug 23, 2011 10:04:26 GMT
PK-M is not worth giving the time of day. Crazy. I like Alex's point about being in a Doors cover band, which I am. It is not only fun, but a great learning experience for the members. By emulating your heroes, you then gain the chops/confidence to improve yourself and add a bit of your own thing in there ... I, for one, a drummer with over 20 years experience playing MANY styles of music, quite enjoy the challenge of playing IN THE STYLE OF THE DOORS, but doing so MY WAY, not just APING EXACTLY what Densmore did on stage and on record. I could go on and on, but PK-M's article just gets me really riled up ... not worth the negative energy!  We are just some musicians/fans having fun and bringing a good time to the people. If you have a problem with that, go back under yr. rock and fuck off! |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Aug 23, 2011 11:17:21 GMT
We are just some musicians/fans having fun and bringing a good time to the people. If you have a problem with that, go back under yr. rock and fuck off! Not really a pro argument there Jason I agree PK is a nut but there is still a debate for and against trib bands. You guys do indeed entertain and are fans. Just listening to WTMO from the Standard shows an evident improvement from the early clips I heard of your band. I am firmly in te pro camp and enjoy the bands for what they are. Probably why I never went to see Ray and Robby's pony and trap show as they pretend to be something they are not. It's a complicated argument for and against and brings in a lot of elements. Hopefully a few other voices will join in. The Star On-Line - E Central
December 21 2005Doors Close, So Surviving Band Members Find A New Name
By Michael DeedsRay Manzarek: "There was never any thought about doing a Jim Morrison imitation. If there was, we would have hired - there's some great Jim Morrison imitators in the clone bands. Boy oh boy oh boy. Dave Brock here in California, and Joe Russo out on the East Coast with the Soft Parade. And Dave Brock with Wild Child. Why shouldn't we hire one of those guys? Who know the songs inside out, upside down, who really does a great Jim Morrison imitation? That wasn't the point. The point was to get somebody who was into the music to sing the songs their way, to be themselves." Jim Ladd 95.5 KLOS Los AngelesRay Manzarek: "The Doors are not a Doors tribute band," says Manzarek. "If you want to see a Jim Morrison imitation, go see Wild Child. If you want to see the Doors, the new Doors" -- say it with him -- "retooled for the 21st century, come and see the Doors. Ian Astbury is singing Doors songs as Ian Astbury. He's not doing a Jim Morrison imitation. He is Ian Astbury, with all the power that he has." |
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Post by wplj on Aug 23, 2011 11:23:22 GMT
Well ... I am obviously pro, just might not be in a position to see both sides! I am a working musician and this is what I do ... I understand those who are looking for some sort of integrity ... I make that point at each rehearsal. I (we) try to keep what we play as close to the original stuff as we can, but we do put ourselves in there, no question. The Doors put all of THEMselves into their performances as well. Why not play with the same passion and fire? If that means you take a little bit of what was done before and put it out there yourself (as long as you don't blatantly copy), I'm fine with that. What would irk me the most if I went to see a trib band would be if they played all the songs just exactly like the original recording. Change it up a bit, that's my philosophy. I'm just rambling here now, but I think you see where I stand. Thanks for the comments! Jason |
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Post by raymondo on Aug 23, 2011 17:35:16 GMT
The argument that tribute band members are a million miles away in terms of talent from the band they are paying tribute to isn't valid for the following reasons:
1. A good tribute band would necessarily need to be musically talented in order to be able to play the songs of the original band well (unless the original band's music is really easy, in which case they probably weren't all that talented themselves).
2. It's just an assumption that tribute band members wouldn't be able to come up with good music themselves. The enterprise they are undertaking is to learn the songs of a band they love and to deliver it to crowds with the intention of having the crowd enjoy themselves. It simply isn't logical to assume that their song-creating abilities are bad by virtue of the fact that they have formed a tribute band. They are just musicians who have decided to form a tribute band because they think it will lead to enjoyment. Maybe they would be good at forming an originals band too....they have just decided to form a tribute band instead, simply because they want to.
I have seen Bjorn Again twice (by accident), and a band called Magic (A Queen tribute band) once. These are the only tribute acts I have seen. On each occasion I enjoyed myself and it was generally a positive experience. To suggest that it's not worth going to see a tribute band just because they aren't the original band is just ridiculous, particularly when it isn't possible to see the original band any more. If you're going to be so wedded to the original band that you won't even contemplate seeing a tribute band then there is probably something deranged about you, and the lady who wrote the first article certainly comes across as such. No wonder Jim would run a mile whenever she turned up!
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Post by thestrangedoors on Aug 25, 2011 10:26:34 GMT
time for my two cents (as the Americans would say).. makin it quick as at work.. i got into the Doors when i saw the film around 1990... got everything they ever did.. then had the opportunity to see the Australian Doors soon after.. they were all kinds of awesome.. I had a great time.. I've seen the Bootleg Beatles a few times as well.. they replicate the exact sound of the Beatles really well and again i had a great time.. I've been in a Beatles tribute band for over 10 years, had a blast and made some pret-tay pret-tay good money as well and now i'm loving being in a Doors tribute band... struggling to fill Jim's boots but its great to have something to aspire to... Patricia Keneally comes across like a proper nutjob.. also i checked out those vids of Ray and Robby's band singing Touch Me.. they were indeed cringe-worthy... ouch...
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