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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jun 19, 2005 14:19:04 GMT
It was a combination of all elements that closed The Doors, most especially Jim leaving the band. If you call someone dying "leaving" then yea. Well this information regarding the contract signed in March 1971 shows that the other 3 feared Morrison was done with them and wanted to prevent him from forming a new Doors in Europe. Abe Somer the bands lawyer testified to concerns the others had of the band splintering which prompted this amendmant to The Doors contract. That does not sound like a band at ease with itself..... Doors Trial Threads Sub Section 11 Amendment to the Old Doors Partnership Agreement March 11th 1971 newdoorstalk.proboards43.com/index.cgi?board=trial
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Post by othercircles on Jun 20, 2005 3:58:55 GMT
Other Voices was recorded prior to Jim's death. Thats a fact
No that's speculation. I and a few others think the three Jerry Scheff tunes were rehearsed and probably began recording prior to July 3rd but not the whole record.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jun 6, 2006 10:20:25 GMT
The only decent acount of this period so far has been John Toblers who did several interviews for Zig-Zag and the BBC where he questioned the band on the subject of the 1971/1972 period. He also did a couple of articles on the Jim less Doors for the Brit press around this time.
From this we can glean that OV was recorded around August/September 1971. This is backed up by the comments of The Doors themselves. Obviously some of the songs such as Down On The Farm were first touted during the LAW session and the ones featuring Jerry Scheff were probably from that period as its unlikely Scheff was brought in 'again' and that the basic track featuring Scheff was used with the vocals added.
"A couple of the songs had been around for a year or so but the rest are new......they might be songs we thought of doing but it wasn't right then' John Densmore.
Indeed there is speculation that the basic track for Ships w/ Sails dates from Morrison Hotel as its the only track that features Ray Neapolitan and its unlikely he was brought in for ONE track.
It's most likely that the tracks with Jack Conrad are the new tracks and the rest is music from the out take material from MH/LAW sessions with possibly new lyrics.
They were indeed rehearsing new stuff in June 1971 and the Siddons rumour of Mike Stull has never really been addressed.......so I for one would go along with the fact that The Doors were seeking a replacement for Morrison but the OV was recorded before Morrison's death does not stand up at all well to scrutiny.
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Post by othercircles on Jun 6, 2006 17:04:32 GMT
Indeed there is speculation that the basic track for Ships w/ Sails dates from Morrison Hotel as its the only track that features Ray Neapolitan and its unlikely he was brought in for ONE track.
Shit... I never thought of that... Could there be Ships W/ Sails somewhere in a can from 1970 with totally different (Jim) vocals on em?
I'm 99% sure I agree with that statement Alex. Maybe OV was origionally intended on getting all the extra stuff out of the way.. as it would have been a damn shame to can all that.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jun 6, 2006 17:17:23 GMT
I would imagine that during the course of these Doors sessions bits of music were worked up with a view to lyrics being added. Especially as the three musical Doors had to wait around sometimes for Jim to turn up.... Ships w/Sails was probably one of those and was remembered when the lyrics were touted........when and where this happened whether in June 1971 when Jim was still alive or after his death we will probably never know. It would be amazing if there was some attempt to put some of Jim's poems/lyrics to that music lying around from a 1970 MH session. But we know that the 8 minute Lonnie Mack jam exists from there as well as the jazzy versions of MH tracks and the instrumental QOTH...........so you never know.
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Post by ensenada on Jun 6, 2006 17:31:45 GMT
is that lonnie mack song the one i am thinking of? well i spose you dont know what i am thinking of, so a stupid question really. It would be so fuckin cool to be able to hear those tracks that have been sequestered into the unknown..
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Post by strangenightvstone on Jun 24, 2006 1:47:18 GMT
I listened to Other Voices, the sound of the songs "Tightrope Ride" and "Ships With Sails" are different by at least 180 degrees. "Ships with Sails" was too good for anyone but Jim to sing on. They must have recorded the instruments while planning on Jim singing. Ray's vocals do not match, it sounds as if they had to add Ray just to finish it, though it does not sound complete. "Tightrope Ride" sounds complete though, because it was written about Jim and Brian Jones, every part is filled in because Jim was not meant to sing it. They were waiting for Jim to sing at least a few more songs.
I know that Ray and John feel guilt. Anyone else think so?
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Post by jym on Jun 24, 2006 2:07:18 GMT
I don't think guilt, per se, maybe regret??
I think saying Jim was dumped from THe Doors is inaccurate, I think it was an amicable split Jim wanted the hell away from the band and they were pretty disconcerted by his 'antics' so when he said he was going to Paris & they produced the document saying none could use The Doors name without unanimous agreement he signed it willingly and got the hell out of town and didn't care what they did.
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Post by strangenightvstone on Jun 29, 2006 3:12:39 GMT
I will stick with guilt, regret would imply a dis-satisfaction with the music. Regret would take some power away from the music. Jac Holzman was asked if he regreted anything regarding Jim and said "No, the music is great"
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Post by glasstecwindows on Sept 3, 2018 11:10:10 GMT
I think the doors were recording the songs that would appear on the other albums as demos, possibilities.
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