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Post by kristyob on Apr 29, 2011 19:53:22 GMT
Hey, I remember The Amboy Dukes...my Mom actually liked them!
Once again you brought up some good points Adam....must be all that intelligence, good taste and cuteness you posess ; ) Yeah, Led Zep is technically on another level and I'm a big fan but I've never been obsessed by them. The Doors could be called simple. But blues music is simple. It still doesn't take away from it's powerfulness (but it's not hugely popular either).
As Alex says...."who knows!"
Casandra what you wrote makes me miss being young and idealistic and willing to rebel!!
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Post by adam on Apr 30, 2011 22:22:48 GMT
[us lot were obviously blessed with the intelligence, charm, good looks & discerning taste required to understand the doors sound immediately !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!] Thanks, is a good comment. Do you really think this? Sure, because we are that way, we have come to this forum.  But we are the 0'0000001% of the Doors fans. If the three Doors had to live with the royalties of what we buy, they would be very poor. They would be begging in a subway entrance or a Church door (this is where the homeless beg in my city), as they have worked very little in the last 40 years. thanks :^)) yeah its true for sure the 3 doors would be flipping burgers if it was down to us to provide their income i guess we're a percentage within the percentage of people that likes the doors. we all like doors music, but some people think jim as all cool & out of control & such a poet, but other people truly wanna know about behind the myth, the type of people who dont buy merchandise ;^)) re the music i think doors songs are quite basic in sound & are repetitive, that's great if you like it, but not so much if you dont.. i think that's the ultimate basis of the love or hate nature of the doors if you find the tune catchy you're enthralled, if you find it lame, then it's hard to take the composures seriously some people i've known who didnt like the doors had only experienced greatest hits, and have actually "quite liked" morrison hotel but me thinking these things doesnt make it mean so much!! |
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 1, 2011 11:06:36 GMT
I respect your opinion Adz you know that but I find it hard to understand why The Doors are so repetitive and basic. In the lyric forum here we have a section examining the songs and the music. It shows the wide range of musical influences the band had. I am no musician mate but some of the Doors music is pretty damn complex. I understand the difference between the simple 12 bar blues progressions of Status Quo and the progressive rock of a band like Yes. The Doors are something in between that. Their music was not as grand as the stadium giants of the 70s but it was certainly not Status Quo. Of course like all bands there is an element of that in any band. Even Yes could play it simple now and then. But The Doors used jazz which is pretty complex and fused it with classical, blues, poetry, cinematic themes, drama, US folk and even a bit of bluegrass from time to time. They were able to produce Grand Themes which sent the mind off on all directions as well as the easy listening 3 minute version of LMF which was pretty complex in itself as an album track. Morrison used his vocals as an instrument in the fact that hes sometimes used words for their effect rather than any meaning to enhance the musical background to his words The Doors provided. Many Doors songs were like paintings in that they were built up in layers and only repeated listening could reveal the depth of the song. I find that with a great many bands and artists I am fond of. The Doors were very good at that especially once the technology arrived to allow them to experiment with sound. Take for example Horse Latitudes. A poem Morrison wrote as a child basically but add to it the layers of the musical Doors along with sound effects that seemed as if the Gates Of Hell had accidentally been left open and it's a piece that cannot be described as basic. Repetition is a charge that can be made about any work as there are only so many notes and chords so obviously it occurs. That's why we have choruses. But the six Doors albums are very diverse. The acid rock of SD and the debut has little in common with WFTS and TSP which themselves are far removed from the blues efforts of LAW and MH. Even inside those album packages there are many diverse themes. LAW contains a bit of poetry, a bit of classical and a heavy dollop of jazz/blues. Even the simple riding along in a car checking out the sights theme of the title track is turned on it's head half way through before returning to the road for the finale. Adding music to Jim Morrison was a complicated task and The Doors did a damn good job of it and to this day I cannot name three guys who could have bettered what they did. Not because there are not three musicians better than The Doors as there are dozens and probably hundreds but three guys who could grasp what Jim Morrison was proposing in 1965? That's where it gets hard. These 4 guys came together and created revolution. they went against the grain as the best artists do and managed to come out at the end slightly ahead. In the time they existed they did not quite manage to change the world but by a quirk of fate 40 years on they did indeed manage to do just that as music is different because of The Doors existing and not many bands can claim that distinction. Your own faves the Inspirals doff a cap to The Doors as well you know. As I say I always will respect your opinion mate but that will never stop me arguing with it  |
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Post by adam on May 6, 2011 12:17:14 GMT
Hi buddy,
Yeah i'm still sticking with my view point!
just because i find some thing 'basic' doesn't mean it's not good - in fact often the most simple things are the best
like you say, the doors are valid & their influences are intricate & varied. The 4 members of the doors are masters at their respective crafts & the band is far greater than the sum of it's component parts
but i stand by my point because the doors sound is quite basic, many of the songs are quite repeatitive
what makes this work is that these simple sounds are created to provide a wonderfully rich soundscape & if you like what you're hearing (as we all do) then the listener is sucked into the mood of the songs, hanging on to the words of the singer
if however, you're not sucked into the sound, then the non-fan comments like "can't see what the fuss is about" come out
perhaps i would have made my original point better if i'd said, the doors are geniuses to get so much mood outta so few istruments, so much power from the songs
this is their magic
the skill to get this effect from such aparently simple tunes
this is their legacy
but the songs are simple nevertheless....
please don't think this means i don't like the doors or rate their songs
but what i'm saying is that van gough isn't a better artist than picasso just because he could paint more complex pictures, but some art fans dont get that, & similarly some music fans dont get that the doors are just as good as anybody else, even if on the surface the songs are less complex led zep/srgt pepper/ etc / etc
cheers
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 6, 2011 13:01:52 GMT
Understand what you are getting at mate and agree with a lot of it. Even today with the Internet The Doors are a band that is hard to really get into. Back in the 70s I encountered loads of people who dismissed them because of the LMF single. An example of what you were saying about the instruments came on the Densmore forum when a discussion started about how small JDs kit was to his contemporaries. The opinion was that JD needed to be very creative to make such a small kit sound right with The Doors. Probably the same with Robby as he never was one for solos and such things. I always thought of him drifting in and out at will, coming in when he felt his opinion was needed. Not many bands from that period had organ as lead instrument and no bass guitar and that may have been a factor as most of my mates liked guitar bands. I was the same but The Doors were always something special. I think for me the fact I was a big folk fan made it easier for me to embrace The Doors whilst rockers found it a little harder. Morrison said 'we are the band people love to hate.' Even here in the UK I saw that first hand. It's weird as I had mates who were into an eclectic mix like ELP, Sabbath, Genesis, Purple and Jethro Tull but never gave The Doors a chance. It has always bugged me that.  |
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Post by kristyob on May 6, 2011 17:54:20 GMT
"Probably the same with Robby as he never was one for solos and such things. I always thought of him drifting in and out at will, coming in when he felt his opinion was needed."
Yes, this!
Last night I wondered into a guitar store while they were having a blues guitarist competition. They were good but I kept thinking it would be great to hear a rock song that used blues riffs.
So I went on Youtube when I got home and listened to Backdoor Man from the 68 Europe tour. This was my exact thought. Robby was good but he didn't solo much and just added 'flavor'. Ray's organ was the main organ.
Going back to what Adz said...lately I've been getting into the White Stripes. Their whole premise was to keep it simple. I still can't believe that much sound and emotion came from just two people!!!
Do either or you play any instruments ?
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Post by kristyob on May 6, 2011 17:55:19 GMT
Ray's organ was the main organ...lmfao. Show's where my mind is this morning!!!
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 6, 2011 19:06:30 GMT
Ray's organ was the main organ...lmfao. Show's where my mind is this morning!!! Well Ray certainly had his mind on Jim's organ a lot which is why he is such a weird 70 year old. Nope don't play sadly. Wish I did. I love piano, guitar and violin based music. That's why I am a big folk fan. Yes, this! This was my exact thought. Robby was good but he didn't solo much and just added 'flavor'. Exactly. That's why Robby was never gonna win a best guitar player poll. He was not like the usual stage hogging lead player. Not that I have anything against that as some of the greatest rock guitar players ever were posing bastards. But Robby would exercise restraint and by doing so took your attention when he came in. Some Doors songs you barely hear him for most of the song but when he comes in you remember it. A truly great virtuoso guitar player. |
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Post by kristyob on May 6, 2011 22:13:15 GMT
Yes, I definitely agree. Amazing that he had only just learned the guitar when he joined the Doors. Because he wasn't a show-off the music is more melodic that some of the heavy rock bands at the time. Less is more!!
Except when it comes to organs !!
Do you know Luka Bloom Alex ? My favorite folk singer.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 7, 2011 8:42:03 GMT
I am a huge fan of his brother Kristy so yes, I know Luka Bloom. Not a fan as such but do know some of his music.
I am a big fan of Irish folk. Love both Claanad and their sibling Enya.
I would not say Robby had 'just learnt' guitar as he was proficient enough by the time he joined Densmore in the Psychedelic Rangers but The Doors was definitely a step up for him and their debut album did give the impression he was a seasoned veteran. I think the style of music itself helped a lot of newcomers during that period as experimentation threw out all the rules.
Psychedelic music was perfect for people like Robby to learn and teach at the same time. There is a lot of Doors guitar on the first two albums which is even today quite distinctive.
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Post by kristyob on May 9, 2011 18:41:24 GMT
Oh yes, Christy Moore!
Good point about experimentation. But I had always read that Robby had only been playing for 6 months prior to joining the Doors.
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Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on May 9, 2011 19:08:21 GMT
Good point about experimentation. But I had always read that Robby had only been playing for 6 months prior to joining the Doors. It's a nice bit of Myth but not true at all. He had been playing ELECTRIC guitar for six months or so but had been playing guitar for years. |
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Post by kristyob on May 10, 2011 20:43:22 GMT
Really ?! Damn, I was hoodwinked!!!!
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Post by djmartins on Apr 4, 2012 23:31:00 GMT
It's a nice bit of Myth but not true at all. He had been playing ELECTRIC guitar for six months or so but had been playing guitar for years. and flamenco, of all things, which is where Spanish Caravan came from..... |
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Post by aztecadoors on Aug 30, 2012 15:50:33 GMT
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Post by mortsahlfan on Jun 8, 2019 20:56:05 GMT
Jim being homeless, sleeping on a rooftop 5 seconds before joining Ray to form The Doors.
Jim threatening to take a sledgehammer to a Buick ONSTAGE (lol)
Jim after "Roadhouse Blues" .... (Astrology bullshit) showing how so many people are conformists, and then again!
Miami - someone needed to hear it. I hate the fact Jim got so much heat for this, though.
Ed Sullivan getting "higher"
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