|
Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jan 10, 2005 19:00:49 GMT
Talking about ROTS live what about the versions that were recorded during rehearsals and recording for LA Woman. Greg Shaw mentions that in December 1970 they recorded rudimentary versions of LAW and Riders and later play some of the songs for Paul Rothchild and he thinks they stink..... Its February before they finish the recording of the album so discounting mixing and other technical bits and pieces they must have spent 4 to 6 weeks on the album. We know they played the songs live in the studio with a 6 piece but there must have been some out-takes and early versions from the sessions.... We know Morrison Hotel yielded some out-takes but what about the LAW sessions.....
|
|
|
Post by pantydropper on Jan 10, 2005 21:06:17 GMT
Well we know about the Blues jam with Lonnie Mack but besides that i doubt if there's a great amount of outtakes from this session. What's interesting to me is how some songs sounded different in the LA Woman DVD-A. Songs like Love Her Madly went on for another 30 seconds and then fade out with Jim still singing (wonder how much longer the jam went on?) However, because the album recording sessions weren't too long (and the cost of studio time were high) don't expect too much material from this session.
|
|
|
Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jan 10, 2005 21:14:22 GMT
The cost of studio time was minimal as it was recorded in the Doors Office As you say the LAW DVD shows that stuff is out there. Cars Hiss By My Window extra verse for one..... I would imagine that a fair bit of excess material was put in the can but how much survived being binned or recorded over is anyones guess ....
|
|
|
Post by pantydropper on Jan 11, 2005 0:20:15 GMT
The cost of studio time was minimal as it was recorded in the Doors Office :)quote] Yes, it skipped my mind they recorded there. Well the Doors have the recorded sessions so that means I'll be pissing in a diaper when i hear it.
|
|
|
Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jan 11, 2005 9:28:55 GMT
Yeah thats true...most of us older Doors fans will be worm bait before the promised out-take album ever appears but those born next week might be just about coming of age for the next BMR release
|
|
|
Post by othercircles on Jun 12, 2005 19:06:56 GMT
Yea. I think we've had enough live bootlegs and stuff. I wanna hear more studio outtakes. A boxset full of that I would buy. Like the beatles anthology.
The Doors Anthology.
|
|
|
Post by jym on Jun 12, 2005 21:39:56 GMT
I think an outtake album would be intriguing, see how they worked up the songs, like an early Love Her Madly versus the album version. I really thought the different versions of Moonlight Drive on the boxed set was pretty cool to hear.
|
|
|
Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jun 12, 2005 21:49:44 GMT
Dannys 'new best friend' Jeff says they don't even know what out-takes they have. So the 'plethora of out-takes' they suspended the BMR releases for was a pack of lies. If these bastards told me my own name I would have to check my passport.......
|
|
|
Post by othercircles on Jun 17, 2005 15:17:52 GMT
4 words. Down On The Farm.
|
|
|
Post by ensenada on Jun 17, 2005 16:51:59 GMT
what? was down on the farm supposedly an out take from la woman?
|
|
|
Post by othercircles on Jun 18, 2005 2:56:06 GMT
Allagedly Jim recorded a vocal for it during those sessions yes.
My belief is that they at least rehearsed Down On The Farm, I'm Horny Im Stoned & Hang On To Your Life during that time. Because Jerry Scheff appears on all those tracks in the final versions during a time when Jack Conrad took over on bass mostly. When they were recording OV they probably figured... "well why fill in the new guy when Jerry already knows those ones".
|
|
|
Post by ensenada on Jun 19, 2005 10:29:28 GMT
if jim had stayed alive and somehow recorded OV with them, do you think it wuld have been a hit or stll been a flop? (in comparison to the other albums i mean lol).
|
|
|
Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jun 19, 2005 11:40:25 GMT
if jim had stayed alive and somehow recorded OV with them, do you think it wuld have been a hit or stll been a flop? (in comparison to the other albums i mean lol). Now THAT is a damn good question Rick and the first time I believe its been brought up .........good one dude... Considering LA Woman or the single Love Her Madly were hardly setting the world alight before July 3rd 1971 its fair to say that compared to early Doors albums both LA Woman and any follow up may well have been a flop...... The sales picked up because Jim died. here in the UK LHM did not chart and LAW was selling very poorly....then Jim died and LAW got into the top 30 (just) .....chart positions for the album even in America were hardly exceptional and single sales of LHM and Riders even with Jim's death were not really THAT great....... The Doors were on the slide in 1971.....no point pretending different...sales were poor compared to what would be expected of the USA's premier rock band and interest was waning. So if Jim HAD made a follow up to LA Woman its likely that if the songs were of the standard of OV the album would have not been a great seller. Would Jim have contributed to it...most likely but would that have made a difference...who knows.... I would stick my neck out and say both LAW and any follow up would have sold dissapointingly and The Doors would have went the way of so many other greats and WE would NOt be having this conversation... Jim's death propelled The Doors into legend......without that I doubt the band would have survived to be anything other than a Jefferson Airplane or Spirit type band....that is of interest to the readers of 'Record Collector' and thats about it!
|
|
|
Post by ensenada on Jun 19, 2005 12:13:54 GMT
thanks dude... good answer too. although i thought la woman was a good seller, did that not go gold at the time? even if it didnt..then you can never really say how it would have gone for them. although you can go off other examples as to what happened to jefferson etc. although if jim ever came back and made some more albums, perhaps they could rekindle the same interest they had in 67-68 anything ispossible. but you do have tobe realistic..it may well have gone the way you said. jim's death certainly did create mass interest in the doors and some how still does to this day. but that said it obviously isnt just jim's image that creates that interest for the music, its the music itself. other wise people wouldnt keep coming back to the music..i wouldnt. as for la woman itself..a superb album...one of their best, i always thought that. it was the second doors album i listened to and it struck me as very different from the first but it still had hat vibe, the darkness, the emotion, the mystery and the sound. the doors will always be more than just jim, they are mysterious and VERY unique..thats what hooks people. but like we always say jim was a huge part of that mystery and with him at the helm i guess they were destined for stardom until jims self destruction destroyed the band.
|
|
|
Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jun 19, 2005 14:05:03 GMT
As you say it is the MUSIC that makes The Doors unique but that music was not of much interest here in 1971 before Jim died but now the UK is a major place for The Doors to sell thier products. That is down to Jim's death creating the mystery and that got people to realise the music was special. Its a fact...I know as I was there and an interested party....the Doors were NOTHING here before Jim died.....a one hit wonder.....thats all...... You certainly cannot say that NOW of them. In the US sales were on the wane...I don't think LAW was a gold album before July 71 although it would most likely have achieved that satus at some stage during that year after Jim died. Would it have sold as many if he had come home? Who knows.... I don't think the 4 Doors made a bad album ....but I am a tad biased......4 masterpieces and two damn good efforts considering the circumstances behind them..... Even OV was a bloody good album. But there is no point kidding ourselves that before July 1971 the Doors wer on the tip of every rock fans tongue......they were recieving respectable notices for MH and LAW but they were not the band they were before Miami...... Could they have retained thier position with Jim......possible but not likely......did they become legends because of Jims death undoubtedly..... The music may be the message but we all know it sometimes needs a helping hand......Jim Morriosn died in July 1971 and gave his music just the helping hand it needed. Death make angels of us all he once said....it made a T Shirt God of him and put his music back up there where it belonged up with the stars......
|
|
|
Post by darkstar on Jun 19, 2005 14:28:07 GMT
Interesting discussion. The talk of releasing Doors out-take material has been going for many years. The occassional interviews or rare chat sessions that the official site used to have contains alot of promises for rare Doors releases and in some chats there was even talk of releasing Hwy (which the Doors don't have any rights too) and Feast Of Friends. Neither of these have ever seen the light of day.
In 2001 BMR started and lots of promises were again made of which only a few actually transpired. At first BMR recordings were only suppose to be available from the internet, shortly thereafter CD's were being sold in selected markets commerically.
2002 started the D21C and shortly thereafter BMR was changed to BMA so a consentrated effort could go into the promotion of the D21C.
If the Proposed Statement Of Decision by the court is given as the final verdict on August 31, 2005, it will officially be the end to the D21C. Considering the past history of Doors Management I look for a resurgance of "original" Doors releases this fall. It's possible cause the D21C will be over and a new campaign for interest and sales will be underway.
These scenarios are nothing new. It's been a fact that Doors management will start something new, get fans interested and then quickly move on to something else. It's happened over and over again for years.
I see a resurgance of Doors material and the LAW sessions could be a possibilty if they ever admit that the material exists.
The fact remains until you actually see a CD being offered from the Doors containing the material you want, then its a good bet all the hype is nothing more than commerical propaganda geared towards keeping fans interested.
|
|
|
Post by ensenada on Jun 19, 2005 15:28:14 GMT
you could say Jim became a martyr for the cause. i agree with you Alex about what yee said there. and as for a t shirt god, its funny i was in the pub the other day playing pool with my new doors t shirt on. there were a couple of 17 years olds hanging round the table...i was playing there mate, who was VERY fit BTW...against the point anyway one of them said to his mate "that Jim Morrison on his shirt?"..."thats Jim Morrison!" i heard this. then he said "is that Jim Morrison?" to me. funny how his image still stirs up excitement and to 17 year old kids. anyway i replied no, its Lionel Blaire! lets hope he doesn't just become like the image of Che Guevara (no idea how spell that), where people wear his image, just cos everyone else is cool cos they wear it. without even realising who the fuck the dude was and what he did....
|
|
|
Post by othercircles on Jun 19, 2005 19:54:34 GMT
the Doors were NOTHING here before Jim died.....a one hit wonder.....thats all......
Well.. maybe in the UK. But here LMF as well as "Hello I Love You" were number 1. That would make them at least a "2 hit wonder" ;-)
And "Touch Me" reached #3 All during Jim's lifetime.
You guys in the UK were still listening to the beatles and the shadows. :-P
|
|
|
Post by TheWallsScreamedPoetry on Jun 19, 2005 20:05:28 GMT
Thats what I'm saying In the USA The Doors were huge but here in the UK we had too many other bands to worship. The Bay City Rollers and Chichory Tip sold more records here than The Doors in the 70s. I remember reading something where someone said we did not NEED The Doors here in the UK....you guys had Vietnam and needed bands like The Doors whilst we had Northern Ireland and preffered The Move or The Scaffold......Over the decades The Doors have sold very well here but they have never achieved the status of a host of Brit bands not fit to wipe there ass.....
|
|
|
Post by wtd on Jul 5, 2005 16:11:03 GMT
Jim's death propelled The Doors into legend......without that I doubt the band would have survived to be anything other than a Jefferson Airplane or Spirit type band....that is of interest to the readers of 'Record Collector' and thats about it! I have to disagree with that. When I first heard "The Doors", it was the music that grab me. It was so good, interesting and powerful. I didn't know anything about Jim Morrison or any of the other Doors. I think their music and words is what has made them legends. All through history, a number of artists never reached their greatness until later on in their careers. People come along later and discover these people were really great artists. For Jim Morrison, in his lifetime he was just considered an eccentric Rock & Roll Star. But now we recognized him as the great poet & lyricist that he was. So I think Jim's death may have helped "The Doors" legend somewhat, but I think it really comes down to the music they created is what made them legends.
|
|