Jim gets sued by The Doors: when he is dead

[TheWallsScreamedPoetry]

Mar 8, 2011 16:15:25 GMT TheWallsScreamedPoetry said:

Billboard
May 4 1974
Page 52
This Week’s Legal Action
3 Doors Sue Morrison Widow

Los Angeles – The three surviving Doors, through their publishing, production and performance companies, have sued the widow of their late singer, Jim Morrison, for over $250,000 allegedly advanced to Morrison as recoupable corporate loans before his death.

According to the suit filed in Superior Court here, Pamela Courson Morrison, as executrix of the estate, has refused to let the Doors corporations deduct Morrison’s advances from incoming royalties.


PAMELA MORRISON: A FINAL CURTAIN ON HER AFFAIR WITH LIFE
By: Judith Simms
Rolling Stone Magazine
June 6 1974
(Excerpt)

Abe Somer, encrusted attorney for Manzarek and the other Doors said, “Certain things have to be done with judicial approval. The documents speak for themselves.” He would not elaborate on the lawsuit. Somer said he was sure the Doors knew about it; “If they don’t their business manager certainly does.”

Abe was 'sure' The Doors knew about this and if they din't then their business manger certainly did?
This is an hilarious statement as once again someone tries to protect these maggots from the truth getting out. Of course they KNEW about it as their signatures were on the documents that instigated the whole thing in August 1971.
This idea that they signed documents but were not really sure what they were signing is laughable. Manzarek lies about this to Rolling Stone in 1974 when he said and I quote....
“I don’t know anything about that. What a fucking bummer! It’s just lawyers getting their stinking excrement-encrusted fingers into it. It’s the tackiest thing I ever heard of.”
And he lied about his ignorance regarding the document that handcuffed Jim from using The Doors name in the March 1971 amendment to The Doors contract during the Densmore trial of 2003/05.
This guy lies his ass off to cover his misdeeds.
The man is a fucking liar and this episode shows just how damaging what they had done was to them so they did everything they could to blame someone else.
Over the last 40 years this has been quietly forgotten by The Doors who NEVER mention this when they are prattling on about how they were such good friends of Morrison.
But it's 40 year anniversary is coming up in August and we here will certainly 'celebrate' this anniversary over the next few weeks.

Manzarek and Densmore are particularly hypocritical as they did not write any songs during 1965 to July 1971 that made it to a Doors recording.
So they benefited greatest by getting 25% of LMF after Jim proposed they share all royalties. Thus giving up 75% I repeat 75% of his very lucrative songwriter royalty.
Robby too would have earned a packet from LMF but went along with the idea and to his credit saw the sense in what Jim proposed as it prevented arguments as to who did what in the music of each song.

So considering what Morrison GAVE these three surely a good case could have been made to write off any debt he had to The Doors in lieu of the millions they had earned between them from Morrison penned songs by the time of his death.
But it seems that the bands first meaningful act after Morrison died was to instigate litigation and recover the debt they felt Jim owed them whilst forgetting the considerable debt they themselves owed HIM!
Tells you quite a lot about these people doesn't it.
Actions speak a lot louder than words and this was an action that has returned to haunt these three people and we will do our level best to remind them of it 40 years on.

[gizmo]

i suppose the agreement was done in the begining of the doors and they where still good friends, but after a year or two living up each other's asses all day, they started to get annoyed and the further you'll go, the worse their friendship faded. it became a company. touring for money but the hardest thing is being with your friends(?) and making records

[TheWallsScreamedPoetry]

August 25th 1971 40 years ago Today

40 years ago to this very day is an anniversary The Doors will not be celebrating.
Why? Because it’s one they would rather Doors fans did not even know about.
Intrigued? Read on then.
On August 25th 1971 barely 2 months after Jim Morrison had died in Paris The Doors began legal action against his corpse to recover loans and expenses they believed he had incurred as well as his portion of a law suit a relative of a fan had taken out against them. They wanted over 100 thousand dollars from their so called friends estate.
A tidy sum for 1971.
Of course they conveniently forgot the huge sum of money their friend signed over to them when he gave away 75% of his earnings in 1965/66 to prevent arguments as to who did what and when. He perceptively saw that money would corrupt his new band and tried to prevent such a thing happening.
Of course he underestimated the power of greed and how easily his colleagues would fall into it.
He never cared himself for the trappings of fame and even though at his death he was part owner in a walnut plantation and several oil wells these were simply things the management had accrued from investing Doors money.
Morrison owned nothing by choice other than the clothes he wore and his beloved car.
Contrary to popular belief he did NOT own property in LA or anywhere else. He was an artist and lived for that art.
Unfortunately he learned too late of the greed of his band-mates and the lengths they would go to in furthering that greed.
In the early part of 1971, after becoming tired of the rock-star lifestyle and the attention it brought, he left The Doors.
They themselves then showed their true colours again by falling into a distrust of Morrison’s motives in moving to Europe by believing he might steal the Doors name and start afresh with a new band called The Doors.
To prevent this they drew up a clause amending their most recent Doors contract which prevented any one member using the name without the others permission. Decades later in 2005 this very amendment was used by John Densmore to win his legal action against Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger.
The Doors final treachery came back to haunt two of the betrayers and give another victory.
If we look at the two factions we will see that Morrison was never like his band-mates. Early in the bands career their management tried to persuade Morrison to leave the others and go solo using session men therefore keeping all the riches for himself.
What did he do? He told the others and they got rid of the management.
Once when the band was introduced as Jim Morrison & The Doors he insisted that the announcer introduce them properly. As The Doors.
On their part they betrayed him to Buick in 1968 for a mere 70 grand. They blamed him for everything that happened post Miami without any thought in their roles. And for 40 years after his death have lived off his fame whilst doing their level best to portray him as a madman who ruined The Doors.

So here on August 25th 1971 The Doors stabbed Jim Morrison in the back once again.
This law suit dragged on through The years. Once they discovered that Morrison’s girlfriend Pamela had inherited his estate they began action against her to recover their slice of cake. To such a degree Pamela was driven from LA to get away from the very people that Jim thought friend. The band tried to use the fact Pamela was weak from grief to further their greed. Selling Jim’s ROTS to Pirelli for an advert in England. They then tried to resell LMF to Tiparillo, a cigar company. Pamela fought back and managed to stop them. Ray Manzarek met with her and assured her the Tiperillo deal was dead.
We can have no idea whether the pressure The Doors placed upon Pamela, in both law suit and obsession with selling Doors songs, contributed to her death but by 1974 she herself was dead.
But of course The Doors continued their attempt to get their money.

On May 4th 1974, just over a week after she died, the story broke.
The Doors were suing Jim Morrison’s widow.

On June 6th 1974 Rolling Stone carried a feature on Pamela.
Danny Sugerman said she had been depressed by The Doors attempts to sell songs without her involvement.
Now she was being sued by the Doors for 250 grand and Max Fink for over 70 he said Morrison owed him.
Rolling Stone confronted Manzarek about the suit and he did what he usually does when faced with his crimes. He lied and blamed someone else.
By then of course it was too late for Pam.

What started as case # P573 952 on August 25th 1971 had become case #P603 488 and in 1976 had still not been settled.
What the final outcome was is unknown by us at this time.
But one thing is certain. Jim Morrison even at his craziest was a better human being that John Densmore, Ray Manzarek and Robby Krieger combined.

Why did 'And The Doors' not trust Jim?

[TheWallsScreamedPoetry]

From WET magazine July 1980.

[gizmo]

the last article must have been the reason that none of the doors went to his funeral. or where they on no speaking terms before?
i'm surprised that danny is telling this story in a magazine, whats the reason for that? coz i can imagine that the 3 other doors where not liking this article about the way they sued jim after his death........... shitloads of fans could turn against them

[TheWallsScreamedPoetry]

Sept 19, 2011 18:30:18 GMT gizmo said:

the last article must have been the reason that none of the doors went to his funeral. or where they on no speaking terms before?

I think it's difficult to criticise the fact none of The Doors attended Jim's funeral mate. It happened rather fast and even though I am sure none of them would have turned up they were rather a long way away at the time.
I doubt that the band were that concerned anyway as Jim had clearly left the band and their first actions did seem to be recovering the money they thought they were owed.
They strike me as a callous bunch really as they did treat Jim rather poorly after Miami. We have lots of evidence of this from those close to the band. Cameron in his book saw them pretty much ignore Jim in the studio and it is clear they blamed Jim for all their ills.

Sept 19, 2011 18:30:18 GMT gizmo said:

I'm surprised that Danny is telling this story in a magazine, whats the reason for that? coz i can imagine that the 3 other doors where not liking this article about the way they sued jim after his death........... shitloads of fans could turn against them

You answer your own question mate.
This is the reason the band have kept up this fantasy of Jim taking a break in Europe rather than the truth.
I dunno if fans would turn against them if they knew the truth but I am sure fans would look at them differently.
I sure as hell do!
They have lied about this for so long they probably believe their own lies on this subject.
The court case in 2002-2008 revealed the level of their lying when the March 11th document was revealed.
The idea that Morrison was still a Door in 1971 smashed beyond any doubt.
Manzarek's comments to Rolling Stone just after Pam's death show how sensitive they are about this. He is a liar anyway but his lies to RS show that even liars can be embarrassed by their actions.
The Doors do not want this information to be widely known as it utterly destroys the 40 year Myth they have built.
Personally I prefer the truth.
I still listen to the Doors with the same wonder I listened 40 years ago but see the three surviving Doors as the manipulative, hypocritical, lying sacks of shit that they really are.
Still awesome musicians though and that part will never be affected as far as I am concerned by the revelations these documents bring out.

[gizmo]

i knew danny was a close friend to jim but i´ve never thought he´d put the doors in interviews in a bad way. i´d thought that after jim died he´d choose for the doors, and write good articles about them. most of the books or interviews i read are about jim AND the doors, and now danny is choosing for jim.
is there a good and bad camp in the doors history? are there more close friends who talk about this? like paul ferrera, tony funches or even the morisson estate? or are they paid to shine in the doors act?

[TheWallsScreamedPoetry]

I don't think Danny WAS a close friend to Jim. he was just a kid who managed to get a job in their office.
NOHGOA was a pile of shit mate and Wonderland Avenue was written by a drug addict.
Jac Holzman once said that Danny was not as tight with Jim as he had people believe.
He WAS a close friend of Ray Manzarek but fell out with him before his death. Ray fired Danny as his manager and would not speak to Danny. Why this was is conjecture but I heard tell that Danny was going to go public with the darker side of Ray Manzarek before he died which caused the rift.
Luckily for Ray, Danny died.
Some acquaintances of Morrison prefer to use their lucky break as a meal ticket. Ferrara has milked the shit out of being a pal of Jim's.
Some like Lisciandro manage to do Jim justice as a writer. Babe Hill keeps his own council.
It's very complicated so yes there is a good and bad camp around The Doors but it's a matter of opinion which is which
The Doors have a lot of dark secrets that they hide with their lies.
Some has come out as a result of the dork trial.
Other bits leak out in dribs and drabs.
This particular thread shows the hypocrisy of the surviving three Doors rather well.
They are a shallow bunch of liars who have lived their lies because they were afraid it might affect their income.
The truth does hurt The Doors but personally it would not have stopped me buying the shit I bought off them.
Nowadays I see what worthless lying twats they are as people but still love them as musicians. Except for Ray and Robby's idiot tribute drag act I have listened to all their music this last 40 years and like most of it. Especially Ray's and I consider him the most worthless liar of the lot which shows indeed how complicated being a Doors fan is

[TheWallsScreamedPoetry]

Hullabaloo January 1969

This is a very interesting piece from January 1969 just before Miami.
Here we see some figures in the media turning against The Doors and Morrison in particular.
It is interesting as there are happenings within The Doors these journalists are not aware of and they mistake Morrison's demeanour as pretentiousness and boredom.
We know from the information that has been revealed since that this was the period when the other Doors betrayed Jim Morrison with their duplicity over Buick and the moving away from the art of The Doors towards the more lucrative ‘pop’ side of things.
Morrison resisted this and as a result became disillusioned rather than pretentious.
The Doors were indeed becoming jealous of Morrison getting the attention and this would all come together in two months time after Miami when the band began to ostracise Morrison, blaming him for all their ills without recognising their own part in this.
This would result in 40 years of lies and betrayal as the band manipulated the dead Morrison to suit their purposes and piled blame after blame on his dead bones.
Their lies have been exposed with several documents that have come to light in the last decade or so which reveal the level of distrust they had of Morrison.
His leaving The Doors in 1971 and subsequent death a gift to the surviving band members who without their lead singer were heading to the obscurity of the bargain bin.


Jim gets sued by The Doors: when he is dead


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…..the consequences of Buick for Miami and beyond......

The Lost Doors Album: Celebration Of The Lizard!

[giza]

Sept 20, 2011 23:05:34 GMT gizmo said:

i knew danny was a close friend to jim

much funny..here when people believe bullshit that janet erwin salli stevenson wrote for years on the doors forum..

here lisciandro on sugerman

this is from a 91 interview with davide sapienza

you know, i'd point out clearly that sugerman didn't know morrison. he was 13 years old at the time, sometime he did little work for office but...he was 13 years old understand? and he claims to be his drink mate, his friend..do me a favor, when you come back in italy write that sugerman didn't know morrison!..

91 interview with steven Wheeler

Sugerman's book offended those who knew Morrison best, according to Lisciandro. "Many of Jim's closest friends find that book very objectionable. I call it 'Nothing Here But Lots Of Lies,' because it's full of bullshit. You have to realize that despite what he says, Danny Sugerman did not know Jim Morrison. If you think that a fourteen-year-old can go in a bar and drink with someone, you're crazy. That never happened.

"I know for a fact that Jim did not like Danny," he goes on to say. "Jim told me on numerous occasions that Danny was a nuisance. But because Jim was a nice guy, he was kind enough to give Danny a few minutes of his time. Danny was always pestering Jim. So those stories of Danny having dinner or doing his homework at Jim and Pamela's apartment are hilariously ridiculous. That never happened."

[TheWallsScreamedPoetry]

I took Danny's tales with a large pinch of salt first time round when NOHGOA was released

Maybe Jim tolerated Danny because he was a decent bloke but maybe there is a grain of truth in Sugerman's stories.
It's hard to say for sure as everybody has agendas and I would not trust Lisciandro 100% either.

Jac Holzman said that Danny was not as tight with Jim as he wanted people to think and that is probably as near the truth we are going to get as Jac does not really have any axe to grind and was pretty honest about himself in Follow The Music.

Danny was a big pal of Ray until the bust up when he was dying and Frank hates Ray and vice versa so maybe Danny gets some fallout from that.

I do miss Danny as he was a fan and thought like a fan unlike the sack of shit the Doors employ now as a manager.
We will never know how far Danny would have taken Bright Midnight if he had not gotten ill

[billboethius]

What is the source of these documents?
Why did Jim get a loan of over $70, 000  [equivalent to half a million today] on the day of his death?

[TheWallsScreamedPoetry]

The docs come from the endless hours myself and Darkstar put in searching for stuff like this.

Jim did not get a 70G loan on the day of his death.
It was something he did before Paris.